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  • SENATE BILL: Resolution calling for the eventual abolition of slavery

    PURPOSE: To express the Senate's desire for the abolition of the practice of slavery within the borders of the Apolytonian Republic

    The Senate of the Apolytonian Republic,

    Observing that the practice of utilizing the work of foreign laborers without pay is slavery,

    Realizing that slavery is inhumane and barbaric,

    Believing that the Apolytonian Republic should be more enlightened than to be responsible for such barbarism,

    Recognizing that the abolision of slavery has logistical difficulties for the nation and will take time and planning to coordinate and execute properly while safeguarding the national interest,

    1. Hereby resolves that the practice of utilizing the labor of foreign citizens without paying them for their labor is slavery and should be abolished within the territories of the enlightened Apolytonian Republic,

    2. Further resolves that the government of the Apolytonian Republic and specifically the Domestic Minister should be given leeway to make decisions on the timing and manner in which slavery should be ended,

    3. Encourages the Domestic Minister to make such decisions with regard to the national interest as well as the need for the eventual complete abolition of slavery.


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    Poll options:
    1. Yea
    2. Nay
    3. Abstain

    This poll will last 72 hours, as required by the Constitution.

    All citizens have the right to vote in this poll.

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    EDIT: Removed an accidental "/I" tag that messed up the formatting.
    36
    Yea
    58.33%
    21
    Nay
    36.11%
    13
    Abstain
    5.56%
    2

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Arnelos; January 20, 2003, 17:49.
    Long-time poster on Apolyton and WePlayCiv
    Consul of Apolyton from the 1st Civ3 Inter-Site Democracy Game (ISDG)
    7th President of Apolyton in the 1st Civ3 Democracy Game

  • #2
    It is now the policy of the Democratic Industrialists of Apolyton (DIA) to support the abolition of slavery, for we believe it to be an intollerably barbaric practice for our modern nation.

    While we aren't counting on the support of those FEAR and ARM barbarians, we had heard that the Apolytonian Labor Party (ALP) and their illustrious elected President, Aro, were in favor of such a policy as well.

    Let them show that by supporting this bill
    Long-time poster on Apolyton and WePlayCiv
    Consul of Apolyton from the 1st Civ3 Inter-Site Democracy Game (ISDG)
    7th President of Apolyton in the 1st Civ3 Democracy Game

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    • #3
      Beautiful...

      I support this gladly..

      mss
      Remember.... pillage first then burn.

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      • #4
        We may have lost a President, but we gained a great Senator!

        Amen to this Bill!

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        • #5
          I hate role-play getting ahead of gameplay.
          “...This means GCA won 7 battles against our units, had Horsemen retreat from 2 battles against NMs, and lost 0 battles.” --Jon Shafer 1st ISDG

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MJW
            I hate role-play getting ahead of gameplay.
            Oh, not this again!

            It has already been discussed and proven that assimilating foreign workers is economically the same or better. So while Arnelos may be enjoying a bit of roleplay here, it is not at the sacrifice of gameplay.

            I can't stand the legal nonsense of this game - but you don't see me slamming/spamming the court threads and legal discussions.

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            • #7
              With great pleasure!
              "The Enrichment Center is required to inform you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake"
              Former President, C3SPDGI

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MJW
                I hate role-play getting ahead of gameplay.
                If you read the bill closely (which I recommended before voting), you'll note that the Domestic Minister is basically given authority to make decisions of his own accord on this issue, almost carte blanche...

                That's MORE than enough room for the DM to make decisions based upon concrete national interest, though eventually getting rid of the slaves is something that a lot of people want done.

                The idea is that a lot of the RPers want to get rid of the slaves, but the "we hate RP" people think that it either shouldn't be done or should at least be done in a manner that's in the national interest.

                The idea here is that this isn't quite what either side would find IDEAL, no... but I'd hope it's at least acceptable to most
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                • #9
                  I abstain.

                  I'm not big on RP within the context of this game, and I'm not a domestic guy, so I honestly don't care if this is passed or not . I applaud Arnelos, however, for giving the Domestic Minister the power to make intelligent decisions when needed -- which was my only complaint about previous versions .

                  -- adaMada
                  Civ 3 Democracy Game:
                  PTW Game: Proud member of the Roleplay Team, and Ambassador to Glory of War
                  Intersite PTW Game: Member of Apolyton

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                  • #10
                    I agree with adaMada. The highlight of this bill is that it is not restrictive like the previous proposals.
                    "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
                    And the truth isn't what you want to see,
                    Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
                    - Phantom of the Opera

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                    • #11
                      This stuff is.... a waste...

                      (no hard feelings though Arne... )
                      Founder of The Glory of War, CHAMPIONS OF APOLYTON!!!
                      '92 & '96 Perot, '00 & '04 Bush, '08 & '12 Obama, '16 Clinton, '20 Biden, '24 Harris

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                      • #12
                        We have fought long for it. At last the bill came. Now we have to await the government decision.

                        Great work Arnelos!
                        "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                        Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                        • #14
                          Dejon says we've gained a great Senator, and I agree. But thank God he doesn't have that Palpatine avatar anymore....that would just be too much.

                          I agree with your Bill, Arnelos. Giving the DM great freedom in what he wants to do, that's much better than the Senate FORCING him to get rid of slaves...
                          Former Supreme Military Commander of the Democratic Apolyton States, Term 8
                          Former Chairman of Apolyton Labor Party

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Meshelic
                            that's much better than the Senate FORCING him to get rid of slaves...
                            THAT would be legally questionable (given that the DM is given power to make such decisions about the use of workers w/o Senate input).

                            In effect, this bill or ANY BILL about the use of workers has a similar standing to a poll under the old CoL. The minister isn't REQUIRED to do what it says, no... but it might not be a positive career move to strongly stand against stated public opinion

                            As under the old CoL, most ministers are good enough to abide by the public will that the difference tends to go somewhat unoticed
                            Long-time poster on Apolyton and WePlayCiv
                            Consul of Apolyton from the 1st Civ3 Inter-Site Democracy Game (ISDG)
                            7th President of Apolyton in the 1st Civ3 Democracy Game

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