Citizens against Court Case #9

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Kloreep
With regards to the veto, it does matter; the DM needs to know whether he can integrate slaves without being dragged through court and possibly censured/impeached for violating senate law.

Ah thanks. In the last week or so of this court issue, I'd lost focus on what the real problem was.

I figured it was mostly about the VETO itself, not necessarily the integration of slaves...

Meshelic

[Sheik]

I mean seriously folks, remember Reddawg vs. Mr Orange? That was a serious case, one that was carried out in an orderly manner, with both sides intelligently speaking their case, and not resorting to personal attacks, spam posts, or otherwise off-topic statements. Unlike #9. There is no respect for the Court in this latest case, not much that I've seen anyways.

The Court has decided to run this case a little differently. It has not been very controlled and we will discuss if future cases will be run like this. I expect the case to end soon.

[Togas]

This thread troubles me greatly, but your point has been made. I am personally dissapointed that the more free-form approach to these cases did not fix the slow nature of our system, as I had hoped it would nor has it helped us to resolve the issues sooner. If anyone has some constructive ideas on how we can improve these hearings in the future, without laying out a whole mess of complicated procedural law, please post here or send me a PM.

Ideally, I'd like to fix the system so that it is more open to the public, moves faster, and gives everyone involved a voice in the issue. Those three things are somewhat difficult to combine, but we're working on it.

--Judge Togas

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Togas
This thread troubles me greatly, but your point has been made. I am personally dissapointed that the more free-form approach to these cases did not fix the slow nature of our system, as I had hoped it would nor has it helped us to resolve the issues sooner. If anyone has some constructive ideas on how we can improve these hearings in the future, without laying out a whole mess of complicated procedural law, please post here or send me a PM.

Ideally, I'd like to fix the system so that it is more open to the public, moves faster, and gives everyone involved a voice in the issue. Those three things are somewhat difficult to combine, but we're working on it.

--Judge Togas

Togas

I have no intention of being demeaning towards our judicial system, in fact I support it wholeheartedly. All the Judges have done a fine job in previous cases, and are all very gifted individuals. Freedom of speech allows me, and others, to disagree with the basis of the Court Case #9, however.

Should this matter have gone to Court? Upon purely technical terms, yes, it probably had to be done in order to follow the NewCon to the letter. I understand that.

Is it in the best interests of those involved? My personal opinion says no. I see it as a waste of their time, although I understand that nobody is holding a gun to my head, forcing me to read the thread.

There is nothing wrong with people thinking the case at hand is a petty matter, not worthy of our great Court.
I simply don't wish to see the time of talented individuals such as yourselves wasted on a largely inconsequential case.

Although I have immense respect for the parties involved, I don't think it's to anyones benefit here to continue this case.

Meshelic

[Meshelic]

I am pleased that the Court has decided to make it's ruling within the next 24 hours. Thank you for hearing me and my fellow citizens out.

Meshelic

[MJW]

I am doing this because if I do not stop this will not be a good precendent for real life vs. the con. I want to settle this issue so it never happens again so I will arge my point as best as I can. The reason why I started this argument is because I could attack weak points a decided (dumbly) two throw in 2 sentences that talked about real life vs. the con. I do not want to stop now otherwise I would have wasted 2 hours of my time for no reason. I was working on the arguments that skywalker made but he beat me to it.

[Meshelic]

MJW and Skywalker

I don't intend to cast blame on either of you, that's not my intention. I don't wish to discredit either of you, I realize that maybe you felt like you needed to save face since the Case started. I don't know if that's it or not, and it's not up to me anyways.

MJW the time you spent wasn't for waste. If you believed it to be right than you did what you could and that is certainly respectable. We still don't know how the Court will rule on this subject, so it's all up in the air.

The issue of Real life vs. duties here shouldn't....be an issue. That's just my opinion, as all of my comments in this thread are. Just opinions.

Arnelos was late in approving of the Veto, due to real life issues that he could not avoid. That is, to me, acceptable. Real life should never be ahead of the demo game. That is really my only argument for the Defendants, although I admit I'm not a party in the case and have nothing to do with it other than my comments in this thread here.

I understand both points, the plaintiffs and defendants. Both are correct in many ways, so I can see why it would be a delicate case to handle.

Thank goodness I'm not on the Court. I don't have half the patience our Judges do.

Good luck to all of you
Meshelic

[MJW]

It was dumb beacause I just should have not even stared the court case because like Meshelic said it does not matter.

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by MJW
It was dumb beacause I just should have not even stared the court case because like Meshelic said it does not matter.

MJW don't worry about it.

[Aro]

Originally posted by Meshelic

...Thank goodness I'm not on the Court. I don't have half the patience our Judges do.

Meshelic

Those guys are saints!

[serw30]

I realize I'm brand new to all of this, but I find this court case interesting. The concept of real life taking precedence over the constituton is significant. It has far reaching implications for this game. If the court chooses to uphold the veto, this could get messy.... Just a newbie opinion though!

[Thud]

As this is the first time I have seen you hereabouts, Mr. Serw, I would like to welcome you to Apolytonia! I hope you stay and enhance this game through your presense.

The first enhancement you can do is vote for me for FAM...

(j/k, vote for whomever more represents your views. if you like my view, though, you should probably join the DIA)

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Thud

(j/k, vote for whomever more represents your views. if you like my view, though, you should probably join the DIA)

Shameless, aren't you Thud?

Every newbie that posts here gets immediately thrusted into a recruitement frenzy. I think it's hiliarious. Of course the DIA wants you, despite their huge roster of names. Despite being the largest political party. They're obviously too intimidated by the smaller Hawk and Labor Parties...

[Nimitz]

No its just this how we got this large and its habit.

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Nimitz
No its just this how we got this large and its habit.

If that's what you say. j/k