Case #9 -- Untimely Veto?

[Togas]

This is an official case thread that will be used throughout this proceeding. I ask that only parties to this case, their representatives, and the Judges post to this thread.

I will be serving as Cheif Justice for this case, however, all of the Judges of The Court have full authority in this matter. I am merely serving as the "moderator" and will prepare the final report of The Court.

At this time, we acknowledge the following to be alleged. If any of this is incorrect, please post to this thread immediately.

Plaintiff: Skywalker
Other party in interest: MJW
Counsel for Plaintiff: (none)

Defendants: Arnelos, Panag, ManiaStarSeed, Spiffor.
Other party in interest: E_T (as a member of the cabinet)
Counself for Defense: (none)

Complaint: Cabinet Veto 1 was illegal.
Issue: Was Cabinet Veto 1 completed past the 72 hour Constitutional deadline?

Position of the Plaintiff:

I contend that the veto was illegal and so the original law should stand! I think that the law (in the constitution) requiring that all cabinet vetoes happen withing 72 hours of the timeout of the law they're vetoing.

I am requesting that the veto be declared null and void (basically, it doesn't do anything).

The Court would like to hear from the defense. Would any or all of the defendants post his/their position to this thread.

Should any of the parties obtain counsel, please have your counsel post to this thread.

We have no objections to the parties agreing to a settlement of this issue if they choose, however we must agree that the settlement is legal before it can be made official.

--Judge Togas

[MJW]

Because the defense has not posted can i go post my arugments?

[adaMada]

Firstly, I'd like to inform the court that I will be representing at least ManicStarSeed in his defense.

Secondly, I'd like to move that the defense be granted some extra time to coordinate and prepare arguments. I understand that the court's time is precious and that the public is waiting, but considering the unusually high number of defendants in this case, we'd ask for extra time that we can be fully prepared and communicate with the other defendants.

Thank you.

-- adaMada

[Togas]

Originally posted by MJW
Because the defense has not posted can i go post my arugments?

MJW, you may post your opening argument/complaint but please keep it to the law(s) that you allege were broken and what evidence your side needs to present.

Later on in the thread we may have both sides debate, but before that can happen we need to know the position of both sides, so you are free to post your position.

--Judge Togas

[Togas]

Originally posted by adaMada
Secondly, I'd like to move that the defense be granted some extra time to coordinate and prepare arguments.

This matter is important to the People of Apolytonia, but this Judge is willing to allow you an extra day or two to prepare and coordinate, due to the number of defendants involved.

However, two other Judges need to agree with me before this is official.

GRANTED BY TOGAS --> An extention of the time to file a response by the defense. Extention will be until 12:00 EST 1/8/03.

If more time is needed, please make another request.

--Judge Togas

[Sheik]

However, two other Judges need to agree with me before this is official.

I agree

GRANTED BY Sheik --> An extention of the time to file a response by the defense. Extention will be until 12:00 EST 1/8/03.

[MJW]

Mine is the veto is invaild because it came five hours late as stated in the new con.

[jdjdjd]

Originally posted by Togas

However, two other Judges need to agree with me before this is official.

GRANTED BY jdjdjd --> An extention of the time to file a response by the defense. Extention will be until 12:00 EST 1/8/03.


Counselor adaMada, that is three yeas from the Court- your extension is official as stipulated above.

[MJW]

Also ManiaStarSeed wrote that it was 5 hours late.

[GodKing]

Originally posted by adaMada
...I'd like to move that the defense be granted some extra time to coordinate and prepare arguments.

AGREE.

JUDGE GODKING


INFORMATION FOR THE USE OF EVERYBODY:

The Poll was started on 27-12-02 at 15:30 hours. It is listed as lasting a total of 72 hours.

The Post for the veto was made on 02-01-03 at 22:46 hours.

[Kuciwalker]

Isn't that 29 hours late, not 5?

[ManicStarSeed]

27-12-02 , 15:30
+72 Hrs =
30-12-02, 15:30
+72 Hrs =
2-1-03, 15:30

22:46-15:30 = 7:16 Hrs Late, Public Post

I vetoed it at least 2 Hrs before that. =

5 Hrs late.

How is that for opening a can of worms

I will refrain from posting as I do not want to displease my counsel.

Mss

[GodKing]

You were too kind. I wanted everybody to do their own math..... oh well.

QUESTIONS: Will the defence team please state when they started talking about the veto (ie if you have a time from a pm... not the pm itself)?

Will they state when they felt they would agree to the veto?

Will they state when the first draft was made that was turned into the public post, and how or if it was distributed prior to posting?

Thank you.

Judge GK

[Kuciwalker]

Sorry. I was just wondering if it was a typo or something. I accidentally added in a day.

[adaMada]

First, let me thank the court for the time extension. It has proved invaluable in providing time to prepare a solid defense and to contact the other defendants. I will be posting my opening statement tonight, as it'll be ready by then and I'll be away from a computer when the deadline expires tomorrow.

Second, in regard to GodKing's question about the timing. I am working to prepare a complete timeline for the court (assuming that none of the defendants who already have all the time data want to prepare one), and will submit it as soon as I have data.

Thank you.

adaMada, Counselor