court case: killing the veto

[MJW]

I am moving to suspend hearing untill the will of the senate is known. Realize that the senate did not bring this case up, only a few senetors, who can not speak for all the senate.
MMS

i think that only the law matters not the will of most of the people.

The below post by skywalker might cause a flamewar...

[Kuciwalker]

ManicStarSeed - YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! Yes, the Senate may pass another bill countermanding the one that stands. SO WHAT? THEY CAN ALWAYS DO THAT! However, it is not a CERTAINTY that they will, and anyway, for a short period of time the bill WILL be law. You can't hold up a court proceeding just so that by the time it is held it is pointless.

The point of this case is to a) get rid of the veto, because it WAS illegal, in that it VIOLATED THE LAW (whether or not this can be rendered inconsiquential is irrelevant; it is still illegal) and b) set a precedent.

ManicStarSeed, if you are not going to represent the defendent then SHUT UP. You are not involved in the case.

[adaMada]

skywalker,
Perhaps it's been a while since you've checked, but ManicStarSeed is a member of the cabinent. As such, until the Cabinent decides who shall represent them, he is a defendent. Your case is that the Cabinet broke a law by passing the veto late -- making the Cabinet itself the defendant. MSS is trying to make a case that the court may rule the veto invalid but no law has been broken. As long as you reject that idea, you are making him the defendant.

I'm always happy to hear any opinion -- but I dislike it when people insult others needlessly because they disagree. It's especially irksome when they are incorrect in their insulting.

-- adaMada

EDIT: I've just realized that this is perhaps the only post I've ever made in the public Civ-3 forum that was angry. I regret that -- I dislike angry posts, both from myself and others. Having said that, I won't take the post down out of respect for others. Though I'm still angry enough to believe he deserves it, I do apologize to skywalker, and I also apologize to the court, cabinent, and MJW. My outburst was uncalled for.

[Kuciwalker]

oops

I'm sorry ManicStarSeed.

I'm also sorry for the harsh nature of my post. I apologize.

[MJW]

Togas can we make an offical court theard now, where skywalker will be the plantiff?

[Togas]

The Court has acknowledged the case and will take it up. Right now we're trying to decide who will be the Cheif Justice for this case. We should know by Sunday.

--Togas

[Panag]

Originally posted by MJW
It was challged for a different reason.... read the thread panag!

hi ,

read all the things that happend , ..... MJW (!)

this matter should be regarded as closed so whats the point of going on with this , ....

have a nice day in court

[Panag]

Originally posted by skywalker
ManicStarSeed - YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! Yes, the Senate may pass another bill countermanding the one that stands. SO WHAT? THEY CAN ALWAYS DO THAT! However, it is not a CERTAINTY that they will, and anyway, for a short period of time the bill WILL be law. You can't hold up a court proceeding just so that by the time it is held it is pointless.

The point of this case is to a) get rid of the veto, because it WAS illegal, in that it VIOLATED THE LAW (whether or not this can be rendered inconsiquential is irrelevant; it is still illegal) and b) set a precedent.

ManicStarSeed, if you are not going to represent the defendent then SHUT UP. You are not involved in the case.

hi ,

if MSS is not involved then the same could be mentioned about a lot of others , .....

have a nice day

[Kuciwalker]

panag - yes, I was, wrong about that, however, I AM THE PLAINTIFF.

[MJW]

The law is not that bad because we would have a perfect railnet and all units at anytime can go anywhere at once. And the handful of rouged native workers can just be added to create tempoary speacialists.

[Togas]

Official Court Thread has been posted. This case is now open, but please continue to use this thread (if you choose) to discuss this matter unofficially.

--Togas

[adaMada]

Just in case it got missed before, I'd like to again offer to represent any of the defendants who'd like external representation. I doubt any'd like it, but this is an interesting case, and I'm happy to take it on if they would .

-- adaMada

[adaMada]

Originally posted by skywalker
oops

I'm sorry ManicStarSeed.

I'm also sorry for the harsh nature of my post. I apologize.

Again, I'm sorry for the nature of my reply. Let's forgive, forget, and get on with the game .

-- adaMada

[E_T]

Ada, I am concidered a party of interest, as I had voted no for the Veto. But that doesn't mean that I might still need someone to represent me. Would you, If I need it?

E_T

[adaMada]

Originally posted by E_T
Ada, I am concidered a party of interest, as I had voted no for the Veto. But that doesn't mean that I might still need someone to represent me. Would you, If I need it?

E_T

Yes, gladly, assuming I'm not already representing someone else that would create a conflict of interest. Let me know if you'd like me to do so .

-- adaMada