Discussion: assimilation of workers into cities

[Shiber]

The recent worker assimilation bill has just passed on the tip of a vote. Some consider putting up a counter bill because some people may have changed their minds.
IMHO we're not doing it the right way. Instead of putting rather vague statements like "First integrate these workers, then integrate these workers" without addressing questions such as when, how and how many, we need to discuss and come up with a complete plan, or rather, plans, and then put them up on a poll.
I suggest that we come up with a "multithreaded" plan that will address the whole issue of worker assimilation. The plan should be something along these lines:
A-1: We begin integrating workers immediately.
A-2: We begin inetgrating workers after certain conditions are met.
B-1: We integrate domestic workers first.
B-2: We integrate slaves first.
C-1: We integrate workers into cities that have not run out of tiles to be worked.
C-2: We integrate workers into all cities, even those that have no further tiles to work (thus creating specialists).
Etc'.
Then, we post a multi-choice poll with the following options:
[ ] I approve of A-1.
[ ] I approve of A-2.
[ ] I approve of neither.
[ ] I approve of B-1.
[ ] I approve of B-2.
[ ] I approve of neither.
And so on.

What do you think?

[Thud]

Yes, the current sqaubbling about vague groups will result in no progress in the near future. We need concrete options. Of course, I'll still vote for the plan emancipating the slaves first.

[Kuciwalker]

I think we SHOULD integrate workers, but we should integrate natives FIRST.

[roadcage]

Why are we still talking about this subject? The Senate has spoken, and the bill is supportive of A1, B1, and C1.

So could we please start executing instead of bsing?

[joncnunn]

Actually the bill only prohibits B2. (But not by a veto-proof margin.)

The Doestic Ministry retains the ability to decide upon A1 & A2 as they see fit and in addition decide upon C1 & C2 as they see fit.

[Shiber]

I too agree that the elected officials should have full authority to decide upon these matters, and any other matters that fall under their jurisdiction and weren't decided by the senate.

[Kuciwalker]

By law they have the authority to. What you think doesn't matter j/k

[Shiber]

I know. I meant to stress that matters over which there is no concensus, or even a clear majority to any of the sides in the argument, should be decided by the elected official, not by a bill that passed over the tip of a vote or two.

[Kuciwalker]

Oh, you meant they can ignore the bill just passed? They cannot.

[Shiber]

Of course not. I was referring to future cases. I thought that was obvious enough not to mention.

[Kuciwalker]

Oh ok.

[Spiffor]

I must say I highly dislike the bill which passed by a one vote majority, because it lacks flexibility dearly : according to this bill, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to me to integrate any slave until all nationals are integrated, up to the very last one (please note the only worker integration I've done so far, in Howitzerville and Heroes' Summit, were nationals despite my anti-slavery posture, and before the bill was valid : flexibility is something you need).

Shiber : for starting an interesting and rational discussion, as always. If I have time, I will update the "worker todo list", to show how many workers we still need, and how much time we need them. Hopefully, it'll clarify things a bit (sadly, I don't have much time, I have a big work to do for 7th January).

My stance on the issue is :

- integrate workers only in cities where there are still tiles to be used. Basically, a worker turned into a specialist is a worker wasted. If I calculated my PW correctly, most cities should not have more than 20 pop (however, I did not integrate tile overlap when doing my orders, so I'll keep a worker reserve to change improvements if needed).

- integrate workers when all PW is done, including those in former German territory. It is possible to marginally integrate workers before all PW is done, if enough other workers are mobilized already (like, if we only need 75 more workers of our staff)

- I say integrate slaves first, and I lenghtly explained the rationale behin it in this thread. Basically, we have huge needs in population, that our workers can't satisfy. Hence, it is better to have 2 integrated slaves for one national worker, rather than one integrated national for 2 slave workers (much more money and shields are brought this way).
However, I am not dogmatic here. As I said, the only 2 worker integrations I have ordered so far were about nationals, because of the hogh risk of culture flipping so near of Berlin. Integrating slaves first should be a trend, not a rock-hard decision to follow blindly. That's precisely why the bill is absolutely counter productive, because this flexibility is lost (the bill would be only "bad" if it wasn't so rigid).

Any comments ?

[Kuciwalker]

Spiffor: While you may be correct that it is better to integrate slaves first and that the bill is bad, it is illegal for you to ignore that bill.

[Spiffor]

Skywalker : I know this, and I will comply to the bill to the letter, until it becomes obsolete (I trust there will be a reaction).

[Panag]

Originally posted by skywalker
I think we SHOULD integrate workers, but we should integrate natives FIRST.

hi ,

and who is going to do the jobs then , .........




our payed economical responsable workers , they should stay outside for now

have a nice day