The Barracks: Operation Rubber Stamp

[joncnunn]

As far as the AI is concerned, there's really no such thing as internal vs external cities. That is a human only feature.

Instead the AI based number of defenders present mostly upon the population of each city.

In addition, the AI places a couple of extra defenders for cities containing wonders.

And a city that is "threatened" : defined as those having enemy offensive units within 2 tiles, get extra defenders. (Drafting if needed.)

By having 3 movement units at range of 3 away from an enemy city, we avoid the AI thinking their city is threatened. The down side is that our 3 MP units usually can't retreat during the attack if they started that far away.

Pompeii is also surronded by forest & sea and so the forest would have to be bombarded first if we wanted to lauch an invasion from 3 tiles away.

[Kuciwalker]

Hmmm... I heard about people exploiting the AI's internal/external thing with beserkers in the PtW thread.

[Panag]

Originally posted by skywalker
Can we spare that?

hi ,

with a bit of organisation , Yes and we have an excellent chance of succes , .....

have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by joncnunn
As far as the AI is concerned, there's really no such thing as internal vs external cities. That is a human only feature.

Instead the AI based number of defenders present mostly upon the population of each city.

In addition, the AI places a couple of extra defenders for cities containing wonders.

And a city that is "threatened" : defined as those having enemy offensive units within 2 tiles, get extra defenders. (Drafting if needed.)

By having 3 movement units at range of 3 away from an enemy city, we avoid the AI thinking their city is threatened. The down side is that our 3 MP units usually can't retreat during the attack if they started that far away.

Pompeii is also surronded by forest & sea and so the forest would have to be bombarded first if we wanted to lauch an invasion from 3 tiles away.

hi ,

why does the forest have to be bombarded

we could do that in order to prevent reinforcements coming in , but its not going to be needed , ....

afterall its a surprise attack , .....

we should land a several tiles at ones , the spice , the oil , and the hill , if possible the ones next to the city also with two infantry and two cavalry , any unit that tries to come on or out of the city shall get a shot or two maybe more from the cavalry , ....

have a nice day

[joncnunn]

Forest costs 2 MP.
Tundra only costs 1 MP.

Landing them at 2S of Cumae, if the forest is cleared via bombardment first (1NE Pompeii, 2 NE Pompeii) they reach Pompeii the next without the AI drafting units at Pompeii. The AI instead drafts units in Cumae.

Units landing 1 tile away from Pompeii allows the AI to draft units from there.

[Panag]

Originally posted by joncnunn
Forest costs 2 MP.
Tundra only costs 1 MP.

Landing them at 2S of Cumae, if the forest is cleared via bombardment first (1NE Pompeii, 2 NE Pompeii) they reach Pompeii the next without the AI drafting units at Pompeii. The AI instead drafts units in Cumae.

Units landing 1 tile away from Pompeii allows the AI to draft units from there.

hi ,

since we shall be inside enemy territory the forest shall protect us , .....


have a nice day

[Kuciwalker]

We don't want the forest's protection! WE CAN RETREAT!

[Panag]

Originally posted by joncnunn
Forest costs 2 MP.
Tundra only costs 1 MP.

Landing them at 2S of Cumae, if the forest is cleared via bombardment first (1NE Pompeii, 2 NE Pompeii) they reach Pompeii the next without the AI drafting units at Pompeii. The AI instead drafts units in Cumae.

Units landing 1 tile away from Pompeii allows the AI to draft units from there.

hi ,

since its going to be a surprise attack the forest does not need to be "cleared" , .....

have a nice day

[Shiber]

Panag, if we want this to be a surprise attack, we have to attack from 3 tiles away so that the AI won't move forces to Pompeii and/or draft from the city, according to joncnunn. In order to be able to attack from 3 tiles away, we must have a clear path to Pompeii. The forest limits our range because it costs more movement points to pass through it, and that won't enable us to attack from 3 tiles away and thus destroy the surprise element and allow the AI to move forces to Pompeii and prepare for our attack.

[Kuciwalker]

Panag, CAVALRY ARE NOT AMPHIBIOUS. (I mention this because it seems to be the only way you could think we could still have a surprise attack.)

[roadcage]

I oppose Operation Rubber Stamp. I do so not because of it's objectives, which I do support, but rather because the force structure comes from Uber Isle. My fear here is that Japan is positioning a flotilla of Frigate/Galley and Frigate/Galleon pairs in a way that threatens Uber. Yes, I am aware that Japan is on board against Rome, and are currently 'Gracious'. But I do not trust them. I have experience in many games where Japan has broken Treaties, repudiated Pacts, and shamelessly attacked me. The Shogun is a 'known liar and a cheat' Please treat him appropriately.

[Kuciwalker]

Couldn't we draw some of the forces from the mainland?

[Panag]

Originally posted by skywalker
Panag, CAVALRY ARE NOT AMPHIBIOUS. (I mention this because it seems to be the only way you could think we could still have a surprise attack.)

hi ,

no kidding , really ,


if you would read the above posts you shall see that the preliminary plans calls for ships , that means a movement over water , with the cavalry in transports , over sea , .......

thats what the idea is , to move with a surprise seaside landing

have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by Shiber
Panag, if we want this to be a surprise attack, we have to attack from 3 tiles away so that the AI won't move forces to Pompeii and/or draft from the city, according to joncnunn. In order to be able to attack from 3 tiles away, we must have a clear path to Pompeii. The forest limits our range because it costs more movement points to pass through it, and that won't enable us to attack from 3 tiles away and thus destroy the surprise element and allow the AI to move forces to Pompeii and prepare for our attack.

hi ,

check a couple posts up , .... there the preliminary is explained

have a nice day

[E_T]

We are moving 1 Cav on the Ferry now. Uber Island now has 3 Barracks, to make more Mil Units with.

If we want, we can also Draft from some of those Cities. But that will depend on various things.

If Japan does Betry us, we are in deep dodo, no matter what.

E_T