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    Members of the A.S.E., I'm planning to make a bill against slavery. I want to know if you as members of the A.S.E. would support this bill. As I have seen that there is no support in the Senate for an immediate emancipationof all slaves, it shall be a moderate bill. I would like to make at least a start to give the slaves civil rights and so create equality before the law. Perhaps further emancipation can be achieved as the conservatives discover that unequality and poverty is not a good basis for a strong nation and happy and educated workers can serve our nation much better than poor illiterate slaves. Therefore I want to include this in the bill:

    1. The government must start immediately freeing slaves by housing them in our current cities and newly conquered cities.
    2. The government must free as many slaves as new citizens can be housed in our current cities and in the newly conquered cities.
    3. The government needn't to house more slaves in the new cities if the city should fall into disorder when more slaves are being housed that particular city.
    4. The government needn't to house slaves in cities in which parts of the population resists the government.
    5. The government may keep 50% of the slaves to complete public works on tiles that are currently under our rule and regions that may come under our rule. As there are no more public works to be built, those slaves must immediately be freed according to the rules above.
    6. The government may only stop freeing slaves when either our national income drops below 70 percent of our current national income: 804 lytons par turn or we are attacked by six or more countries on the same continent of which two must have adjacent borders and there exists a threat of losing cities to these six or other enemies whether they be on the same continent or not.

    I'd like to hear any comments. If people think that any requirements should be added, removed or altered please let me know in this thread. Keep in mind that there is not enough support for immediate freeing of all the slaves and the bill should be moderate. If people think this bill isn't moderate enough, or just too moderate I'd like to hear that too, but please come with arguments.

    Equality before the law should not be something to fight for, but a self-evidency.

    Thanks,

    Aidun
    Last edited by Aidun; December 27, 2002, 12:08.
    "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
    Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

  • #2
    You shall burn under the harsh rule of the evil lord Ming! So the Prophet Aggie has fortold!

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    • #3
      Sorry for not responding, Aidun. I had to go when I first saw this thread, and then it dropped off my radar...

      I'm not sure any bill with actual power is necessary (and since the senate has no power over workers, such a bill would probably be dragged through the Court). One recommending a course of gradual integration might be nice, just to confirm the senate is behind that effort.

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      • #4
        This bill is a sick violation of the "right" of foriegn workers to be cleansed by working for our superior race, truely it makes me sick
        Don't let them make you think your free, all men are born free yet everywhere they are in chains. Break these chains that bind me I'll be free again

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        • #5
          don't call them slaves, call them "illegal combatants" and let them work a few years to regret their unworthy lives under the influence of the "wrong god"
          - Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity
          - Atheism is a nonprophet organization.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kloreep
            One recommending a course of gradual integration might be nice, just to confirm the senate is behind that effort.
            Kloreep,

            Can you explain it a little bit more? Gradual integration?
            Oh and why should this bill be dragged to the court. The Senate has indeed no power over workers, but it has the power to make bills that oblige the DM, or so I thought.

            Please more comments... Anybody?

            Aidun
            "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
            Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Skywalker
              You shall burn under the harsh rule of the evil lord Ming! So the Prophet Aggie has fortold!
              Originally posted by Nolan
              This bill is a sick violation of the "right" of foriegn workers to be cleansed by working for our superior race, truely it makes me sick
              Nice to see that the conservatives on this point togerther with the fanatic religious ones (or should I call them fundamentalists ) are reacting.

              Aidun
              "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
              Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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              • #8
                This thread is meaningless. Per the Civolopedia, there are no slaves. Per the /F3/ (Military advisor), there are workers and captured foreign workers.

                All workers both native and foreign made have exactly the same singuar right. (The right to work). So all of you roleplay freaks who want to emancipate our proud foreign workers, are actually calling for us to oppress them by denying them their only right. Even worse, since the act of joining effectively 'kills' the worker, you are advocating foreigner genocide.

                SHAME ON YOU
                I used to be a builder. That was before I played Civ III

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                • #9
                  Shouldn't take it all too serious about freeing, but I think integrating the foreign workers in the exiting and especially in the newly conquered cities makes our cities more productive. The whole mess around is roleplay. It's just funny, because I remember of my history lessons at school that the freeing of the slaves in America was in the same age at the same technological developmentrate as Apolitonia is now.

                  Aidun
                  "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                  Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                  • #10
                    It is their SACRED DUTY, not just their RIGHT, to work for the good of the superhuman Apolytonians! They should be GLAD of this opportunity to escape from the harsh lash of Ming! Let them REJOICE in serving us!

                    good lord, rp is fun

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                    • #11
                      btw Aidun, integrating slaves into newly captured cities is a BAD idea, because they'll be far more likely to flip.

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                      • #12
                        Even if they are not of the origin of the civ we are attacking?

                        You're right RP is fun

                        Aidun
                        "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                        Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                        • #13
                          Aidun - yes, on both counts

                          Remember when Soren told us all about how culture flip works? Well, one of the factors in number of foreign citizens. Not number of citizens belonging to the civ that's trying to flip it.

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                          • #14
                            Soren? When did he tell us about flip? But if it doesn't matter about the nationality of the foreign worker, first rush the whole civ from the map and then we can add slowly foreign worker to the city, for instance in Frankfurt or Hannover when Germany has fallen.
                            Otherwise, the bill shall never be posted.
                            Anyway, I'm still learning.

                            Aidun
                            "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise can not see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
                            Term 9 and 10 Domestic Minister of the C3DG I., Term 8 Regional Governor of Old Persia in the C3DG and proud citizen of Apolyton. Royal Ambassador to Legoland in the C3 PTW DG, Foreign Affairs Minister and King of the United Kingdom in the MZO C3CDG and leader of the Monarchist Imperialist team. Moody Sir Aidun (The Impatient) of the Holy Templar Order in the C4BtSDG

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                            • #15
                              MONTHS ago. Maybe it was just at CivFanatics.

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