Unofficial- What should be done with Aggie?

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Bureaucracy gone mad !!

I vote he be made president again. We need a strong leader who can make tough decisions when needed.
Stuff the rules and constitution…Lets play the game !!

um...

I'm going to side with DAVOUT on this one rather than Hot_Enamel. This is a democracy game, meaning that the input of the populace is fundamentally important to the "playing of the game". The constitution exists to ensure that the cabinet doesn't get carried away with itself and forget to consult the broader populace in the democracy game.

While I agree that the limitation on the cabinet having the power to sign MPPs and military alliances has been frustrating as the Foreign Affairs Minister, I also understand why it's there - to ensure that I (or the President in my place) doesn't just play the game by themselves w/o consulting the broader populace on important issues.

As for Aggie, the Senate could vote here to ask Aggie to resign and the Senate can always pass a resolution officially censuring Aggie's action (a legal slap on the wrist), but the Senate does not have the power to pass out actual punishments (that power is reserved for the Court).

I already stated that I think this should NOT be taken to the Court for the purpose of punishing Aggie, so understandably I'm against the Senate illegally doing so in the Court's place

Although I'm not in favor of it, I can't do anything to stop any member of the Senate from starting a Court action on their own to do something to affect Aggie or the illegal orders made. No-one has started such a court case ( ), but there's nothing stopping them.

Afterall, there's little point in having rules if we don't follow them. That goes for both the cabinet and the Senate. Call that excessive bureaucracy if you want, but I agree with DAVOUT that it's the only thing that's keeping this a "democracy" game in anything but name only right about now.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Togas
As one of the drafters of the New Con I feel horrible that that we included this into the document. Frankly, I was (and still am) thinking of just offering an amendement to take a few of the "checks" out of the document to keep this sort of mistake from happening in the future.

The decision was made with the support of those in attendance. We are all at fault. It was a wise decision and one that I'm sure he'd make again if he was put to the test.

All controversy aside, I'm sure this poll will reflect that the people accept the apology of the President and wish for the game to move on.

--Togas

Don't feel so bad about it concerning the NewCon. ANY set of rules which have been created and not yet tested on actual, fallible, human beings is going to have growing pains and need adjustment to account for things that were unanticipated. This is entirely natural.

That said, growing pains we are certainly having with thew NewCon and some ammendments seem necessary.

I think the following ammendments should at least be proposed:

1. Allow members of the cabinet to propose bills. The lines in the NewCon giving the FAM exclusive ability to propose Alliances and MPPs are currently problematic, because he can't propose his own senate bill to seek approval (also necessary) for that same proposal. This was the problem I ran into as FAM when proposing the legal MPPs signed during the chat (never mind the illegal ones...).
2. Make the check on the FAM for signing MPPs and alliances during times of war considerably more lax than during times of peace. When in times of peace, allowing the FAM to sign MPPs and alliances willy-nilly would probably drag the country into war against the wishes of the Senate. During wartime, we're ALREADY at war and the FAM needs considerably more power to sign such agreements on short notice w/o having to take the 3 days to get Senate bills passed.
3. Some ammendment to handle the issue of tied elections.

That should, I would think, resolve this.

We'll tackle additional growing pains as we experience them. This is entirely natural and we shouldn't be dumping on the people who wrote the constitution (Togas, notyoueither, Apocalypse, and adaMada) for it.

[ManicStarSeed]

What to do, how about ..

Voting for Yea for the new senate bill pardoning the administartion.

Vote here

Mss

[WhiteBandit]

I have not voted in this poll and also have no intention of doing so.

Aggie rocks. Enough said.

[ManicStarSeed]

Originally posted by WhiteBandit
I have not voted in this poll and also have no intention of doing so.

Aggie rocks. Enough said.

I agree.

Please vote for the new senate bill that I hope will put this all to rest.

Thanks;
Mss

[notyoueither]

Don't go, Aggie.

Please.

[Meshelic]

Aggie must not resign from the game!

If Aggie goes, then I go!

[Arnelos]

Aggie isn't going anywhere... was I the only person who paid any attention to Aggie's statement on the issue regarding his intentions behind this?

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Arnelos
Aggie isn't going anywhere... was I the only person who paid any attention to Aggie's statement on the issue regarding his intentions behind this?

No you weren't but the poll suggested otherwise, that if Aggie resigned that he'd leave the game. Although I understand that he will not leave the game, I still stand by my previous statement that if Aggie leaves, then I leave, for he has been one of my foremost supporters and sources of encouragement throughout this game, not to mention the fact that he is regarded as a hero and savior of the Apolytonian race by many of our citizens....

[Panag]

hi ,

if every person who made a mistake where to resign , well there would be no-one left in our civilzation , however we could write something down somewhere on a piece of paper so that next time around we wont have to decide wheter or not some actions are wrong or not

afterall Aggie is so honest as to admit it and it sounds allright if we where to put ourselfs in his shoes , .......

have a nice day

[Meshelic]

I'll tell you what Aggie needs to do. He needs to join the Labor Party. (I'm shameless, I know....)

[jdjdjd]

I edited, yes I admit it .

Forget it. His term is up.

[Arnelos]

I'm of the opinion that we just let this die now. We've put up enough of a stink already. My rant has been heard out, so I'm done at least.

[Meshelic]

Yes let this thread fade away...

[UnOrthOdOx]

Im totally lost here...so I wont vote