Which War?

[Shiber]

Originally posted by roadcage
We really have no choice about Rome. We simply must remain involved. If we don't, somebody will emerge out of the chaos in the south as a major player. We need to take enough of Rome for ourselves to ensure against that.

You have a point.
Let's send some fast units to kill as many Roman units as possible in the shortest amount of time possible, and when (or rather, if) peace is possible, rob Ceaser's ass in the peace negotiations in order to weaken him as much as possible. This will help the Russians and Iroquois to a certain degree, so that they can at least hold off Rome.

[Jonny]

Originally posted by Shiber
You have a point.
Let's send some fast units to kill as many Roman units as possible in the shortest amount of time possible, and when (or rather, if) peace is possible, rob Ceaser's ass in the peace negotiations in order to weaken him as much as possible. This will help the Russians and Iroquois to a certain degree, so that they can at least hold off Rome.

I agree.

Let's try to get as much as we can out of Caesar in the shortest amount of time possible. Then, we can turn our attention towards Germany.

[roadcage]

You all missed the point. Whether we like it or not, our MPP's say that we gotta do the full 20 turns without hope of parole. But this prospect need not be painful nor require significant unit committment to the south.

See

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70914

[Shiber]

Well, you missed my post. I addressed this issue earlier, and I've also raised the possibility that the MPPs might not be triggered against Rome. IIRC MPPs are triggered when an enemy attacks one of your units inside your territory, and that may not even happen in this conflict.

[Panag]

hi ,

two fronts , focus on germany , but NOT before we have more units in our armed bananas , ........

have a nice day

[Kloreep]

It would be good if we could avoid activating MPPs vs. Rome, but I'm not so sure we can do that. Rome won't talk for at least several more turns, and as buggy as the AI is in 1.21 (treating upgraded Muskets through Mech Infantry as offense units), Rome must have some Cavalry it simply didn't devote to this assault. We have no idea where these Cavalry will strike, and all it takes is one attack.

I don't think a two-front would be that bad. Slow Riflemen, which will probably be the assaulter of choice along with Legions, are easy to pick off with bombardment, and while Cav can swoop in, the AI generally leaves them vulnerable to human maneuvering. We have a limited border at the neck of Abanaba Minor, and Russia hasn't had their GA yet (doesn't have the wonders, and Cossacks have only just arrived), so that will help them fend off the Romans. (On the other hand, the Romans may not have had a GA either; I don't remember.)

[pikesfan]

Gosh, what a see-saw poll. What will you do if it ends up tied and I’m the swing voter?

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by pikesfan
Gosh, what a see-saw poll. What will you do if it ends up tied and I’m the swing voter?

We'd have to kill the hippie.

[pikesfan]

But then you’d still be tied and you’d end up with a Serbian election.

Peace through deadlock

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by pikesfan
Gosh, what a see-saw poll.

Yep. It's really swung around a lot.

At least everyone agrees we hate Bismark's guts. Even if Caesar the Betrayer may be more liked.

Come on, people, don't let him get away with it! Our superior bombardment strategy means we can get off fighting an easy defensive war while Rome and Russia pummel each other!

What will you do if it ends up tied and I’m the swing voter?

Then your bank account piles up. (Unless Meshelic is secretly still in control of the supposedly disbanded Shadow Service.)

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Kloreep

Then your bank account piles up. (Unless Meshelic is secretly still in control of the supposedly disbanded Shadow Service.)

RP

Huh? what? Shadow Service? Who are those guys? *scans the room to see if anyone notices him feign surprise, which they all did*

Umm...I've never heard of them?....

RP

[Panag]

Originally posted by Meshelic


RP

Huh? what? Shadow Service? Who are those guys? *scans the room to see if anyone notices him feign surprise, which they all did*

Umm...I've never heard of them?....

RP

hi ,



look meshalic , stop to divert funds , and get some money in the army , the armed forces are in a poor state , and do something about the navy , the money invested in the ships has only been used to buy wood , wood that is now rotting away at the docks , ......

the army aint asking a lot , just some money to train some new units , the rest of the money can stay with you , ........

now , two fronts can be done , but we need to do something with the army , ..... its to small

have a nice day

[ManicStarSeed]

Wow, things can change quick around here.
I say fight a defensive war with rome for now and let the MMPs activate.
Keep an eye on the SW front, but let our "allies" do the work.
Focus on our german objecticves. Once we break germany and our allies are mopping Otto up, we can turn more attention to Rome.

Mobilization (once we get the build on ToE going) might be in order. All we need is peace with one nation to bring us out of it.

As for the MMPs, we can wait and see if the AIs make peace first before making peace so the AI will take the rep hit.

Mss

[Panag]

Originally posted by ManicStarSeed
Wow, things can change quick around here.
I say fight a defensive war with rome for now and let the MMPs activate.
Keep an eye on the SW front, but let our "allies" do the work.
Focus on our german objecticves. Once we break germany and our allies are mopping Otto up, we can turn more attention to Rome.

Mobilization (once we get the build on ToE going) might be in order. All we need is peace with one nation to bring us out of it.

As for the MMPs, we can wait and see if the AIs make peace first before making peace so the AI will take the rep hit.

Mss

hi ,

we have to be carefull with letting the "allies" do most of the work , ..... they shall remember that for a very long time , .........

have a nice day

[joncnunn]

Fight defensively with Rome at least until the MPPs are activated.

Also, perhaps some more nations should be added to the MPP list considering Rome's treachery.

(I'm not positive though, I haven't downloaded the latest save yet or finished going thru messages.)