Senate Foreign Affairs Cmte.: Buy Steam Power (or Communism) now or later?

[Panag]

hi ,

we should re-look at the options , see if they are 100 sure , check , recheck and double check , .......

have a nice day

[canyontree]

All of the enumerated strategies have LOOSER written all over them. Simply put, you cannot successfully techwhore from behind.

As a direct result of the recent trading patterns practiced by this and previous administrations, we now have 4 1/2 AI tech engines, and are just as far behind in tech as we were in the early 900's. Yes folks, Japan has caught up. Greece is slighty behind, but will have our desired techs soon enough.

I suggest plan D

.)Continue sanitation at slightly lower tech rate
.)Invest resultant Lytons in the tools of war
.)Refuse all LPT deals
.)Identify a target
.)Take desired techs as a part of the surrender terms of the identified target.

Which Civ to attack? Look at Germany, Greece, England. All of them have (or soon will have) the techs we crave. Rome and Japan are simply too far away for now. Look at the 'active' screen under diplomacy for each. See which has the smallest turn commitment. Hello target!

Stop all negotiations with all potential targets that include lpt deals (or peace deals) so that we will be able to attack another leader Civ for the next round of techs.

The above strategy leads to tech supremacy and ultimate victory.

If there is anyone who still believes in our current appeasement strategy, kindly look at how history has treated Chamberlain.

[Panag]

hi ,

Shiber , what would you say to hold the war with the germans until infantry , but only if we can get it very fast , can it be done in ten - sixteen turns , ........

have a nice day

[nz_upy]

Plan D
Enough said.

[Shiber]

Panag, delaying the war until infantry is pointless and wasteful. In fact, we want to hold the war before Germany gets infantry or they'll make minced meat out of our cavalry.
I hope I just misunderstood you and you meant the opposite.

[Kloreep]

I think Panag means waiting till we get Infantry. That would be nice, but I doubt we could beat them to it; even if we did, they would probably be just a turn or two behind.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Shiber
Panag, delaying the war until infantry is pointless and wasteful. In fact, we want to hold the war before Germany gets infantry or they'll make minced meat out of our cavalry.
I hope I just misunderstood you and you meant the opposite.

hi ,



is there anyway a way we can get infantry before them , real fast , .............

no techwhoring project , ........

have a nice day

[Shiber]

It's possible that we'll get infantry before them, but not long before. If we open fire as soon as we get infantry, the Germans will get infantry sometime early during the war. This will defeat the purpose, which is to avoid fighting German infantry with our cavalries altogether by declaring war earlier.

[joncnunn]

I think there's an 80% chance the Germans will have Replaceable Parts before us, a 15% chance that we discover the techs the same turn, and only a 5% chance that we beat the Germans to it.

Can we buy Steam Power & Communism now without lowering the science rate so we still have Sanitation in 4 turns?

(We need to start working on railroads)

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by joncnunn
I think there's an 80% chance the Germans will have Replaceable Parts before us, a 15% chance that we discover the techs the same turn, and only a 5% chance that we beat the Germans to it.

What are these figures based on?

Can we buy Steam Power & Communism now without lowering the science rate so we still have Sanitation in 4 turns?

(We need to start working on railroads)

I agree that we need to get started on railroads (the reason why I consider Steam Power to be a military necessity). However, buying Steam Power this turn, as I mention at the top of the thread, would cost us upwards of 2000 lytons (or 100 lpt), which would effectively bankrupt us for at least a little while (and I we'd HAVE to lower the science slider to afford it). So the general consensus seems to be that it's not worth shelling out 100 lytons a turn for the next 20 turns to get Steam Power NOW and better to wait until we have Sanitation. I'm willing to respect that opinion...

[joncnunn]

It's a rough guess based on when the AI has been discovered techs in this game cross referenced back to AI tech discovery rate and priroity in my own games on the Emperor level.

We defenately need to get more structrues that improve taxes if a mere 100 GPT is seen as bankrupting the economy. (Mostly Banks)

In my own Emperor level game I was able to reserach every Industrial Era tech in 4 or 5 turns with the tresury peaking in valuation at 4200 Gold with only 10 cities. And this was with only 2 local luxaries, (others were bought) and paying 65 GPT for Oil after the AI got to Refinering. (No local oil supply)

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by joncnunn
We defenately need to get more structrues that improve taxes if a mere 100 GPT is seen as bankrupting the economy. (Mostly Banks)

Well, if we were a commercial civilization rather than playing Egypt, this wouldn't be anywhere nearly as much of a problem

(I typically always play commercial civs in single-player )

[joncnunn]

Actually, in the above game where I got the massive surplus of cash with 10 cities on Emperor level I'm China. (This game is just about over now.)

You don't get half cost banks or market places for being commerical. In fact, since we are playing 1.21f instead of 1.29f, there is a significant handicap playing Commerical civs.

I got my Forbidden Palace built much earlier in that game than this one (About 35% thru the Middle Ages Techs), which virtually eliminated corrpution & waste from an early date. There is also a lot of river tiles in my territory, with five of those cities along a river and in addition all except two cities are coastal.

Originally posted by Arnelos

Well, if we were a commercial civilization rather than playing Egypt, this wouldn't be anywhere nearly as much of a problem

(I typically always play commercial civs in single-player )

[realpolitic]

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