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  • #1

    Forget the Big 4, Japan makes the Big 5...

    That's right, Japan is now a member of the "Big" Club, making it the "Big 5". Japan is seemingly the nation which discovered STEAM POWER within the past turn (1070 A.D.) and traded it to Rome, Germany, and England. Interestingly, they did not trade it to Greece.

    As such, here's the current tech standing of each civ:

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    CIVS IN THE INDUSTRIAL AGE:

    Japan: Nationalism, Medicine, Steam Power, Communism
    Germany: Nationalism, Medicine, Steam Power, Communism
    England: Nationalism, Medicine, Steam Power, Communism

    Greece: Nationalism, Medicine, Communism

    Apolytonia: Nationalism, Medicine
    India: Nationalism, Medicine

    Aztecs: Nationalism
    Russia: Nationalism

    Zululand: -
    Iroquois: -

    CIVS IN THE MIDDLE AGE:

    Babylon: need Magnetism
    Persia: need Magnetism

    China: need Metallurgy, Free Artistry, Theory of Gravity, Magnetism, and Military Tradition

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  • #2
    You're absolutely right. However, this list will soon be trimmed down and back to four again, after we deal with Germany...
    Btw, according to the histograph, Germany is the weakest of all 5 big civs in score and power, but we know they're the leading researchers, or one of the leading researchers. Here we see once again why Germany was such a great choice as a target.
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    • #3
      that kinda stinks if Japan is up and coming and can be contender where research is concerned. we don't have much of a recourse; a war to rein in Japan would take a massive amount of troops and planning for an invasion.

      Even by taking Germany out, I fear now that we won't be able to prevent the proliferation of technology to our biggest rivals or maintain a tech lead any time soon.
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      • #4
        The only thing that makes Japan a prime contender is their monopoly on Silks. They might be an up and comer, but they have a powerful tool to use at the trade tables.

        Wittle the Big 4 down to size (while aquiring their science wonders) and Japan will not be a problem in the future.

        If they do, we just raze a few of their prime cities and they will have to start from scratch.

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        • #5
          hi ,

          , we should try to break that monopoly , and let us have the monopoly , ......
          it would be worth a war

          have a nice day
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          • #6
            Logistics is the problem here. We have to spend huge amount of resource to devote a war with japan. Due to the vast distance between Japanese Continent and our, our initial troop number has to be lot larger than equivalent of attacking some other nation of equal size on our continent.

            I ask myself how can a nation surrounded by a barren iceland on top PLUS loitered with sandy beaches on the bottom for about 3/5 of the mainland japan be a worldpower? Their open land isn't even grassland, with the exception of capitol area. Geesh that silk monopoly must be really helping them alot!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Calc II
              Logistics is the problem here. We have to spend huge amount of resource to devote a war with japan. Due to the vast distance between Japanese Continent and our, our initial troop number has to be lot larger than equivalent of attacking some other nation of equal size on our continent.

              I ask myself how can a nation surrounded by a barren iceland on top PLUS loitered with sandy beaches on the bottom for about 3/5 of the mainland japan be a worldpower? Their open land isn't even grassland, with the exception of capitol area. Geesh that silk monopoly must be really helping them alot!
              hi ,

              one more reason to break that monopoly , ........

              have a nice day
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              • #8
                Japan is so far away that a vast aramanda would be needed for us to attack them.

                Germany is much easier to take out, this will elimate one of Japan's trading partners.
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                • #9
                  Agreed, To mount such resource just to attack Japan sound little ridiculous... for now.
                  :-p

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                  • #10
                    Our war with Germany gets us their best cities, doesnt that make us The Big 1?

                    If not, then war with England will get us enough to become The Worlds Only Superpower?

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