Science slider

[roadcage]

I now feel much better.

I quote from our Constitution, Article 1 section 1 subsection g

(g) The President has control over the economy/science/luxury slider and may make changes when he feels they are appropriate.

Thank you Aggie, you have always had my vote, but it is more important now.

roadcage

[DAVOUT]

Finally, the zero% party is right, and the 60% party is not wrong. In fact, the worst case is as follows :

- with the cash saved, we rush units
- with the cash received, the AI rush units

If the amounts are of the same magnitude on both side, no harm; if the amount saved is smaller than the amount paid to the AI, it is a loosing move.

[Aggie]

One problem Davout is this, even including the 20% gain the AI gets. If we prodice slighly less units than them we win becuase 1 unit in our hands is like 3 in theirs.
Aggie

[Thud]

I don't have a strong opinion on this, but the opinion I do have is to go with the 0%, buy, and rush universities like mad strategy.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Aggie
One problem Davout is this, even including the 20% gain the AI gets. If we prodice slighly less units than them we win becuase 1 unit in our hands is like 3 in theirs.
Aggie

Yes Aggie, but this is the only reason why we should choose zero; there is no saving, we just increase our assets at the same pace than the AI, but they are more efficiently used by the humans.

Anyway, the figures have to be checked after the GA.

[roadcage]

I don't have a strong opinion on this, but the opinion I do have is to go with the 0%, buy, and rush universities like mad strategy.

May the great banana be praised. I think he's got it. Well almost, a mixture of banks and universities!

[joncnunn]

I'm calculating that it would cost at least 1890 Gold to research Theory of Gravity.
(977 - 347) * 3 + 1.

Handing over 1245 Gold to the AI is cheaper.

So, we should buy.

And I think in future games, we should stay at 0% until the Forbidden Palace is built even if we enter the GA first.

(Which is what I just did in my own latest game on Emperor level that started this long weekend. [After finishing the last one I was in.])

If we are going for a peaceful victory I think we'll need to catch up to the AI by the time the Golden Age ends.

Perhaps the court house & market place rushings will be finished soon.

I'm adjusting my standpoint back towards military expansion to knock off some more AIs heads to bring their reserach down to our level.

[E_T]

Originally posted by joncnunn
I'm calculating that it would cost at least 1890 Gold to research Theory of Gravity.
(977 - 347) * 3 + 1.

Handing over 1245 Gold to the AI is cheaper.

So, we should buy.

And I think in future games, we should stay at 0% until the Forbidden Palace is built even if we enter the GA first.

(Which is what I just did in my own latest game on Emperor level that started this long weekend. [After finishing the last one I was in.])

If we are going for a peaceful victory I think we'll need to catch up to the AI by the time the Golden Age ends.

Perhaps the court house & market place rushings will be finished soon.

I'm adjusting my standpoint back towards military expansion to knock off some more AIs heads to bring their reserach down to our level.

GA ends in 6 to 7 turns, but we will be going into Democracy right afterwards.

We have courthouses in most of the cities that currently need them. The only ones that will need a Courthouse Rush are in the new Cities (6 total) and they still have a bit of build to get the the point that I'll even ask for funds to Rush them (i.e. 10% completed). We also have more marketplaces that will soon be available and all of the newly FP Centric cities will have rapid builds now and will soon be at par with the rest of the nation.

I still think, at least to get into Industrial, that we should Research one and but the other with the Luxes that will come up in 4 turns with Germany. That will atleast get us into Industrial and we can reevaluate this after the GA is over.

E_T

[realpolitic]

Buy, Buy Buy!!!!! We need to save the money. if we have a chioce of whom to buy from, we should pick the most backward civ that has the advance.

[DAVOUT]

In an extremely interesting thread, Theseus said :

2) Research – For whatever reason, 0% research as a concept just drives me crazy. Yeah, I know, you sorta can’t go wrong buying techs when they are so much cheaper, but does that give you control? No. If you haven’t done so, getting a branch lead is literally the most powerful thing you can do… better than money, better than luxuries, better than a strong military, better than infrastructure. I often refer to the ‘industrial corridor’… gaining a branch tech lead here, where the path is constrained, is a cycle-breaking, game-over strategic advantage. Research has changed somewhat with PTW, but the principle still applies.

Worth to think a bit about it.

[joncnunn]

We can't get a branch leaf when state of the art is industrial and we are still in middle ages.

We have to get out of the middle ages first. The longer we take to do so, the more techs we have to buy to get to a point where a branch lead is possible.

[roadcage]

Our only hope of getting a branch lead EVER, is to forcibly downsize Germany and at least one other AI engine. We simply must stop tying the hands of our strategic war planning advantage by brokering 20 turn deals with Otto and his cronies.

[joncnunn]

Perhaps we can build a "Take Me" city whose sole purpose is to tempt the Germans into attacking us. Then it won't matter that our GPT deal with Germany got canceled early. (And we save a lot of money on techs.)

[realpolitic]

0% sounds fine to me to get out of the Middle Ages, then we should techwhore Medicine(we need it to get to Scientific Method). It's been my experience that the AI waits at least until it gets to Industrialization, and usually longer, before it researches Medicine. It's also best to buy Nationalism etc, after we get Medicine, and maximize our Science rate to get there fast.