Informal Survey & Discussion about Possible Great Leader

[Robber Baron]

Having seen the dramatic impact our golden age status has on the timetable for building the FP, I'd now vote for spending the leader (assuming Smith's is not available) on an army, particularly if one could be generated in time to send it into battle and get the victory prerequisite for building the Heroic Epic.

[joncnunn]

E_T, neither the AI nor human is allowed to sign a GPT deal that would result in them running a deficit under their current tax system.

This most likely means that Bismark was already planning on upgrading Knights to Calvary. Our deal will slow down how fast he can do so, and so our deal helps world peace.

[joncnunn]

Agreed with Robber Baron (and E_T), unless the Great Leader arrives in the last combat of the French war, using him for Newton's in a good place (even assuming we can get it) removes ths possibility of further leaders during the war.

[ruby_maser]

options

I'd say, if we can get it, let's build STC because money does run the world. Secondly, if we are not so lucky, lets go for the army and start paving the way for more great leaders to come.

[E_T]

Originally posted by joncnunn
E_T, neither the AI nor human is allowed to sign a GPT deal that would result in them running a deficit under their current tax system.

This most likely means that Bismark was already planning on upgrading Knights to Calvary. Our deal will slow down how fast he can do so, and so our deal helps world peace.

That's true, but if you get then broke, with Zero income, they will most likely change their Slider, so that they will have money available. This, of course, make them available to Squeezeing more money from them (and possibley having them do it again).

E_T

[Panzer32]

STC; we are not a naval power by any stretch of the word.

[Randolph]

Whatever we do, let's NOT build an army. I seriously doubt that we’ll have any need for armies in future wars, and we certainly don’t need one for this war even if we could field it in time (they're really more fun than useful anyway). I think I'd prefer any wonder to an army.

[Hot Mustard]

There's an alternative missing: Build the Palace. The FP is going to be built shortly anyways - why not use a GL to rush it's counterpart in Timeline?

[E_T]

Originally posted by Randolph
Whatever we do, let's NOT build an army. I seriously doubt that we’ll have any need for armies in future wars, and we certainly don’t need one for this war even if we could field it in time (they're really more fun than useful anyway). I think I'd prefer any wonder to an army.

The nice thing about having the Army, its that you can build the HE, to help get a GL in the next war. THen you save (at least I do) the Mil Acadamy as a shield storage build, then change to the Wonder that I want to get after I get the tech. Especially during the ealier Industrial Age.

Once I get Hoover's Dam, I finally build it in a City that I can get the best (or one of the best) built times for an Army. I work on getting three (for the Pentagon). I need be, I can start building an Army, and switch to a Modern Wonder (timing is everything). I use the Pentagon for it's express purpose or as another sheild storage for another Modern Wonder.

Also, I like using an Army, to help crack that tough defence in a size 20 City. Once you get past that first Rifleman, it's normally downhill from there.

They do have their uses.

E_T

[joncnunn]

Randolph, we are going to need one additional war of expansion after the French war because of where the FP is being built.

I'm leaning towards, after the French war is over, shift all our forces around to where Calvary are pre-positioned in spots to attack England and agressively defend against Germany with the Knighs on the other borders.

This way, when Germany attacks England, we don't need to wait a few turns upgrading Knights to Calvary so we can annex as much of England as possible ahead of Germany.

If Germany builds a second Science boosting Wonder, they may be a tempting target as well. Perhaps this be done when a German-Aztec war breaks out.

[Randolph]

As far as using the GL so that we can make the HE so that we will get more GLs this is only an effective strategy if we expect to have 48+ more elite combats (this is where the shift from 1/16 to 1/12 makes up for the lost GL), but even at this point one has to consider that most of the wonders that will be difficult to beat the AI to are now and not later (we don’t really need a GL for HD or SETI because we’ll likely get them anyway).

Secondly things like placeholders, and 'break through' armies are niceties, not necessities... I'd rather have a wonder than have a placeholder and save a few troops (but that is just me).

(no offence intended)