Poll (Unofficial) War with France Goal - The THIRD attempt.

[wervdon]

Oh and I wouldn't take their southern cities, Id rather have them as a buffer between us and Rome, but I havent looked at a world map in a while so maybe that doesnt even make sense in the current situation.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I've never said we had to keep all of the cities, I just want to take out France as a player so they won't be in our way anymore.

[Skanky Burns]

It would be nice to prevent our French-Apolyton citizens from trying to rejoin their motherland. If they no longer have a motherland, problem solved.

[Meshelic]

Ghenghis and Skanky Burns both summed up my thoughts in the last two posts following each other.

The French may not be a huge problem for us militarily now, but they might later, and they are the weakest nation right now. It may be impossible to intimidate us then, but strategically it is better to have these french conquests; all of the them.

also, less risk of our cities falling to French control culturally, it's a long shot but it's a good point, nonetheless

[Panzer32]

I agree with Meshelic, Shanky Burns, and Ghengis Farb.

[Arnelos]

Go over to the official war poll with France thread...

E_T has offered a very compelling argument in favor of limited war with France rather than complete annexation because the change in Contagion's rank will increase its corruption&waste... thus significantly delaying the construction of our Forbidden Palace... (not to mention the myriad other adverse effects upon other cities in the Persian annexation).

While others such as myself had previously argued for limited war, E_T has now provided the quantitative analysis which demonstrates the superiority of a limited war for our interests.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Arnelos
Go over to the official war poll with France thread...

E_T has offered a very compelling argument in favor of limited war with France rather than complete annexation because the change in Contagion's rank will increase its corruption&waste... thus significantly delaying the construction of our Forbidden Palace... (not to mention the myriad other adverse effects upon other cities in the Persian annexation).

While others such as myself had previously argued for limited war, E_T has now provided the quantitative analysis which demonstrates the superiority of a limited war for our interests.

Once again we don't have to keep ll of the cities. We can spread them out so that they do not impact the corruption as much.

The important thing is to elimate France as a player thus ending their nationalities hositility towards us in out cities.

Need I remind you that we are also trying to flip some 6 cities into our empire so an argument to avoid taking 3 cities is very hollow as we are already trying to take another 6.

[zeit]

We could move those cities, but if we do so, then in the spirit of the new appolytonian enlightment movement, i say we must not starve those frenchies!

just rush workers to lower the pop, then disband the city, we have the cash for this.
if this can be agreed upon, then let us annex france. If not, we can still annex france- but no starvation please.

[Kloreep]

As I posted in another thread, the AI will happily accept cities as gifts, even though it won't trade for them. So, we could rid ourselves of select cities and improve relations with someone at the same time.

[Shiber]

It would be funny if we could give it to one of the lost civs. Just think of the corruption they'll suffer from.
EDIT: On second thought, here's an idea: we pick a French city that we don't want and invest in the culture of the surrounding cities. Then we give the city to a lost civ or an otherwise remote civ (the Aztecs or the English), wait for it to flip and then give it to another civ again. That way we can gift it over and over again and improve our relations.

[Kloreep]

Good idea. The Aztecs (or English or someone else) would probably be better, since we'll have to wait till we can sell the lost civ's contacts to gift it to one of them.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Here's an image of the proposed consolidation before it was voted into oblivion:

[Reddawg]

This poll seems pointless to me; if we start this war and France bribes someone and ultimately the conflict is widened, then we'll have to reconsider our position. If that doesn't happen, well then it doesn't make sense to half-step through it and leave them with a few weak cities that will ultimately be absorbed by someone else.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Reddawg
This poll seems pointless to me; if we start this war and France bribes someone and ultimately the conflict is widened, then we'll have to reconsider our position. If that doesn't happen, well then it doesn't make sense to half-step through it and leave them with a few weak cities that will ultimately be absorbed by someone else.

This poll was just to find out where most people stood. It is pointless in the fact that it will have no impact on the war in France, that has been written in stone and we will NOT take all of France. I stated in the first post that it was unofficial.

I simply believed that a large number of Apolytonians would have supported the elimination of France while others believed far more citizens abhored the idea.

[Togas]

Originally posted by Reddawg
This poll seems pointless to me; if we start this war and France bribes someone and ultimately the conflict is widened, then we'll have to reconsider our position. If that doesn't happen, well then it doesn't make sense to half-step through it and leave them with a few weak cities that will ultimately be absorbed by someone else.

I concur to a degree -- our end goal may indeed be determined by what events occur during the French "Golden Age Causing" War, however, I think people should put to rest the notion that France will bribe anyone into attacking us.

They did once in the past and we learned our lesson from it. From now on we sell technology and/or maps to enemy civs just before the attack so that we empty their coffers prior to the war. So long as they are broke they cannot buy allies.

--Togas