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.... All MPP's do is remove our ability to choose who we fight when. Especially when signed with an aggressive Civ.
I agree totaly. The only way it would work is if we instigate all the agression (of our choosing) to a point that the MPPed civ would be discouraged from entering into another conflict of their own. This is the wrong time for us to do that.. for sure...
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This is not necessarily the case. MPPs can be used in a very limited context (as I cited above) to serve as a check on the aggression of an AI power (by alligning ourselves with his smaller neighbor). However, I will agree that this is one of only a few very limited cases where I typically agree to an MPP.
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I'm thinking the best use of MPPs given our situtation is that it generally improves relations with that coutnry allowing us to get better deals buying and selling techs.
If we are still generally buying techs when Nationalism is discovered, I sugest we'd form a MPP with a most common tech trading partners. (Greece and/or Germany)
Germany though is agressive. While signing an MPP with them ensures they won't attack us, it also ensures that we will get involved in wars with England, the Aztecs, and Greece.
Assuming we fully annex France, if one of the civs in the southwest wipes out the other two, I'd also sugest MPPing with that nation if they are willing to pay us GPT to do so. That will ensure a peaceful boarder there with minimumal risk of being brought into another war.
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AI: I sure wish Jon would hurry up and complete his turn, he's been at it for over 1,200,000 milliseconds now.
I've once played a game as the Greecs. In that game my main neighbours were the Aztecs and the Germans. I wasn't a superpower and the Aztecs were specially unfriendly against me. I signed a MPP with the germans just before the Aztecs declare a long war to me. The germans were a very loyal allied along this time. Thanks to this I was able to finally beat the Aztecs, and later, win the game.
In our case, i think we could be in a similar situation if the Romans or the Russians become a superpower. In this case (and only in this case !) I would sign a MPP with the Germans.
One of the advantages of annexing France is that they'll be no way the Babs, Romans, or Russians could get Super Power Status unless they try an overseas expansion. (We'd be in the way of them expanding north.)
We also increase the odds of an annexation of Babylon to Rome and/or Russia. Either concurrently with or shortly after another war should break out between Russia and Rome that ends with one of them being supreme in that section of the world.
Assuming we don't fight any other wars after France (Ha!):
Germany is bound to evenually annex most (or all) of England.
The Aztecs are bound to evenually annex the scattered Persian provinces in their territory.
Germany and the Aztecs will fight a major war that evenually Germany gets the upper hand in. (This enlarged Germany would be big enough to be a rival super power.)
Assuming we go after England next after France: We need to annex all of England. If we only get annex the southern half of it and declare peace, Germany invades northern England during a period we can't redeclare war with England without a rep hit and annexes it.
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AI: I sure wish Jon would hurry up and complete his turn, he's been at it for over 1,200,000 milliseconds now.
How much of the spoils would we really want to divide up with the Germans is my question? I mean, whatever makes the Germans stronger could realistically cause us more problems. Anyone remember the Soviet Union-United States after WWII? Friendly enough during the war, but once over, those relations pretty much fizzled out you could say...
I wouldn't want with the Germans. They would be a strong ally, but...it's iffy, you know?
To support my previous statement a little more, the whole of eastern Europe was basically annexed by the Soviets, with little regard to what the people wanted. If persay the Germans did this in England (during our game) then who knows, a stronger Germany could lead to several headaches.
I rarely sign MPPs.
Sometimes I feel sorry for the AIs so i sign an MPP with one or two of them. Then I declare war on an AI they cant possibly handle, they get annihlated, I steamroll into their former lands, get their land, get whom I declared war on's land.
But Apolyton woulnd't be in its right mind signing an MPP. It's just plain dumb. (Although a war on Aztec with Germany would be a nice way to get those American cities wile germany takes care of the rest.)
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