Pax Apolytonia?

[E_T]

France has Gunpowder

France has aquored Gunpowder, but they have yet to connect up their sourses of Saltpeter. As of the 720AD save, there aren't even any Workers at the SP sources to connect them.

As we have bought several workers from France, they are currently worker poor and might not have a sufficient worker force to connect it up quickly. If we're going to war, we need to do it soon. We have 6 turns to complete Printing Press (780AD) and we should declare in 790 and get our GA then.

E_T

[GhengisFarb™]

Re: France has Gunpowder

Originally posted by E_T
As we have bought several workers from France,

E_T

What the? When did we buy workers? According the the Presidents we haven't bought or built any workers in the last two terms.

[Apocalypse]

Actually during the Tuesday turnchat that I ran last week we bought two workers from France. I posted this very clearly since many people have been whining about it.

[Arnelos]

Re: Pax Apolytonia?

Originally posted by Thud
Do we want to go to war? With whom?

This poll is unofficial and will close in 3 days.

Thud,

I really hate to be the one to tell you this, but...

You will note that you made this poll unofficial when you posted it.

It remains the case, however, that no official poll has been conducted permitting the administration to declare war on France... thus the declaration of any war at this point WOULD be unconstitutional in the highest.

I'd assume that an official poll likely will be posted at somepoint in the next week... should such an official poll fail to garner 2/3, that of course would mean what Thud is arguing, now wouldn't it?

[Duddha]

conclude that there is not enough support to expect a 2\3s majority for a declaration of war. Thusly, I strongly suggest that the military branches CEASE AND DESIST manuevering for a war with France.

Thud, don't think that the hawks aren't still strong enough to put up a fight. Out of all the possiblities, a war with France would be the fastest, and least painful. I suggest the DIA to support this war, when we are ready, or face the might of the Hawks.

[Aggie]

Don't worry a Declaration of war poll is forthcoming. Probably tonight or tomorrow at the earliest.
ALL WAR PREPARATION continues, since I see virtually no chance that this poll will fail. Thud remember you endorsed this war earlier in the thread, I am sure if you support it now at the begining it will make it unstoppable.
Aggie

[Kloreep]

Actually, I see no 2/3rds requirement in the current CoL. The official war poll will only need a majority to pass.

Aggie, please remember to hold a GA poll as well.

[Aggie]

Klorkeep, I see the GA poll as necessary as the war poll itself. I intend to have them posted at the same time.
Aggie

[Duddha]

Yeah, one of the major problems with the CoL is that it doesn't address declaring war.(not entirely sure about this)

[Aggie]

It's amazing but you are both right, it says 2/3 for mobilizing for war but that ISN'T delcaring war, that just means putting the economy on war footing. Good to know that all my planning wasn't for naught. Though I don't doubt the war will get 2/3 anyway, but anything more than 50%+1 means war.
Aggie

[mrmitchell]

I just realized I hadnt voted at all yet on the poll, so I chipped in a vote "War on France."
The debate's probably over, but with just a minor war to get the important cities that E-T mentioned a while ago on this thread, it's okay w/ me. Also, IF we got a GL (which I doubt but anythings possible) we could use it to rush either ToE or Hoover when we hit the Industrial Age, if the public could agree on saving it that long.
This is my final opinion, and I will carry it to any official poll in the form of a vote.

[Randolph]

After seeing the expenses of war (see Aggie’s post under the economic report), I plan on changing my vote away from immediate war. I’m rather paranoid about making enemies, so I don’t want to make a stink, but I would urge people to consider how far 720+ Lytons would go for domestic development.

/RP
Realizing the immense controversy surrounding such a radical political position, and the power of its opponents, Randolph becomes painfully aware of his vulnerability and lack of allies.
Not wanting to attract the attention of the “Military security forces”, he slips away.

This may be a Republic, but who would stand up against the might of the supreme military commander.

RP/

[Thud]

The half majority is still a little risky. My point is that to continue preparations to make war at this point is foolish and illadvised. If a declaration of war does not pass, then a lot of time, money, and preparation will be wasted. It is this potential waste that I would be willing to go to court to prevent, not the actual war.

I can't wait for the new constitution to occur. Then I could just introduce a bill to freeze military deployment, and see if it passes. Much simpler, and less painful for all.

[joncnunn]

Thud, any and all War Charoits & Knights can be updated to Calvary and aren't a waste until our targets have Infentry.

All defensive units can be upgraded all the way to Mobile Infentry, and aren't a waste.

[Aggie]

Thud, you know as well as I do that a majority support at least a limited war. So such a bill would never pass. Since a majority(including you) clearly wanted at least a limited war, I see no court case. As SMC I manage the military and the senate, even later, CAN'T change that fact. I can request to the the cp and the Moe(Senate later) for units and money. You would have to expressly forbid upgrades EVERYTIME. I wouldn't recognize a general no upgrade law, and I think neither would the court or President. As for as deployment of troops I can move as I desire and see fit, and in NO way could the senate tell me where to deploy, they can "advise" but not tell. I want to settle this issue so I don't have a senate believing they can micromanage the military. The Senate CAN refuse specific upgrades, but they can't pass laws about movement or laws forbiding future upgrades. If the senate didn't give upgrades I would request the building of units in cities(another thing the senate can't change), so by forbiding upgrades the senate would basically be telling me that I have to use production and not money for units. I hate to sound irritated, but I will not tolerate an attempt by the left to emasculate our military. If you do not like war you are welcome to vote against the declaration of war, but looking at this vote of 35-22 I believe the DOW will pass.
Aggie