$Mini-Game TRADING SESSION TWELVE (12)

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Turn 12 closes EXACTLY 72 hours from the post time of this message.


Use this thread for trade proposals only. So, NO DEBATES HERE (except relating to current session rules questions)

For rules, a directory of threads and debates see the thread Main thread and directory

Current Market Assessment:

Turn Number: 12
In Game year: 640 AD
"The Market": Apolyton, Termina, Tassagrad, BHQ, Gotham, Chartres, Timeline, Gaia

Total population: 46

Labor Market
Apolyton Available Labor: 6
Termina Available Labor: 6
Tassagrad Available Labor: 7
BHQ Available Labor: 6
Gotham Available Labor: 4
Chartres Available Labor: 1
Timeline Available Labor: 7
Gaia Available Labor: 9

(The Labor market is now done on a per city basis. Simply state in the following format, "Hire 1 Labor in Apolyton @ $26 (D:S 1/4 = $25)". To use Vassal labor simply state "Use 1 of my Vassals on my estate.")

Vassals for Auction:
1 Babylonian
2 French
Total of 3 vassals available for auction.


Commodity Markets
FOOD MARKET
Food demand: 46x2=92 Food supplied: (2x8(city tile)) 16 + 21(fallow)=37
D:S = 92/37= $249

SHIELD MARKET
Shield Demand: 43
Shield Supply: 56
D:S = 43/56 = $76

COMMERCE MARKET
NOTE BASE RATE FOR COMMERCE IS $50
So multiply D:S by 50% for current market price.
Commerce Demand: 46x7=322
Commerce Supplied: (city tiles)26 + 28(fallow)=54
D:S = 322/54 x.50= $298

LITERATURE MARKET
6% x 46 = 3
Libraries= 2
TOTAL DEMAND = 5

ALCOHOL MARKET
{Ale, Beer, Rum, and Wine} Base price $100
Apolyton Market: 12
Termina Market: 12
Tassagrad Market: 14
BHQ Market: 12
Gotham Market: 4
Chartres Market: 1
Timeline Market: 14
Gaia Market: 18

ALCOHOL MARKET
Wine, Rum, Beer, and Ale.

Set at Pop x 1 for cities 5 and under, Pop x 2 for cities 19 and under, and Pop x 3 for cities 20 and over. The larger/more densely packed the city, the greater the demand fof alcohol.

So a size 5 city would have a demand of 5. A size 6 city would have a demand of 12, and a size 20 city would have a demand of 30.


Use the format provided in the rules to post your proposals.
Name of Player.
Tiles owned
Total stockpile(Including Finished Goods and Vassals)
Total Production
Proposed Transactrions in the following Order:
Food
Shields
Commerce
Finished Goods
Labor/Vassal/Construction

THIS SESSION USES THE FOLLOWING RULES:
Vassals consume 1 food for every 2 vassals. (Examples: 1 vassal consumes 1 food, 2 vassals consume 1 food, 3 vassals consume 2 food, etc.)


CURRENT BUILDINGS AVAILABLE:
RETAIL BUSINESSES
{city only} (Costs 3 shields/labor)

Any "Retail Business" can be expanded into a "Chain Retail Business" for an additional cost of 2 shield/labor which removes the 6 product max (so if the city was size 14 a "retail business" only allows you to sell 6 product at a bonus, but a "chain retail business" would allow you to sell 14)

When built, you must choose the type of "retail business" it is:

1) "Shoppe" -bonus applies to commerce (same as current Shoppe)
2) "Eatery" -bonus applies to food (same as current Tavern)
3) "Tavern" -bonus applies to food AND alcohol, but must sell at least 1 of each to receive bonus
4) "Bar" -bonus applies to alcohol
5) "Steak House" bonus only applies to Beef (food from tiles with the Cattle resource) but bonus is 75%, not 50%
6) "Hardware Store" 50% bonus applies to shields and halfShields.
7) "Specialty Shoppe" bonus applies to a specific type of commerce (ie, Horses, Dye, Spice, etc) and only that commerce receives the bonus, but the bonus is 75%, not 50%

Any Shoppe, Hardware Store, or Specialty Shoppe in a city with a Marketplace receives an additional 25% bonus, or 75/100% total bonus.

You can cease operations for 1 trading session and convert from one type of "retail business" to another type for a cost of 1 shield/labor.


OTHER BUILDINGS
INN {city only} (Costs 5 shields/labor)
Requires Eatery, Tavern, Bar, and/or Steakhouse in city chosen.
Increases bonus on product sold in Eateries, Taverns, Bars and Steakhouses owned by player in city to 100%.
An Inn requires 1 local labor to operate.

Any Inn can be expanded into an Inn Chain in a specific city for an additional cost of 3 shield/labor which removes the 6 product max (so if the city was size 14 an "inn" only allows you to sell 6 product at a bonus, but an "inn chain" would allow you to sell 14)
An Inn Chain requires 1 local labor to operate.


STOREHOUSE {city or estate} (Costs 2 shields/labor) stores up to 20 commodities (including food). NOTE: you may store up to 10 nonfood items(shields/commerce) in addition to/instead of this 20 storage.


BREWERY {city or estate} (Costs 5 shields/labor)
Allows up to 4 labor to convert up 2 food into 2 Ale {Changed name from mead to ale} per labor (1 to 1 conversion).
And/or convert up 2 Grain(only source is Wheat) into 2 Beer (1 to 1 conversion). Beer sells at 30% bonus.
1) Breweries may only sell their product in a city which contains the source Brewery in its radius, or is connected to the source Brewery by railroad.
2) Until the discovery of Electricity, Ale and Beer MUST be sold the turn after it is produced, it cannot be stored.

Source for labor on estates can be vassals or city labor from any city with the brewery in its radius. For breweries in cities the labor must come from the city labor pool and/or vassals of landowners who own land within the city's radius.

Breweries may only sell their product to cities they are in the radius of until the construction of railroad. (So Duff Brewery can only sell alcohol to Tassagrad and Termina)

Source for labor on estates can be vassals or city labor from any city with the brewery in its radius. For breweries in cities the labor must come from the city labor pool and/or vassals of landowners who own land within the city's radius.

All alcohol can be sold on either the food OR commerce markets, and is calculated with the alcohol subDemand bonus.

Note that the only forseeable sources of wheat are American territory to the north and Uber Isle to the south.


DISTILLERY{city or estate} (Costs 5 shields/labor)
Allows up to 4 labor to convert 2 Sugar into 2 Rum
Rum sells at 50% bonus.
The sugar must be in the Distillery's possesion at the beginning of the trading session.
Like Wine, Rum can be sold anywhere in the Market and can be stored.

Source for labor on estates can be vassals or city labor from any city with the brewery in its radius. For breweries in cities the labor must come from the city labor pool and/or vassals of landowners who own land within the city's radius.

NOTE: Sugar can only be grown in select markets, on grassland and in replacement of food. You must state during the trading session that you are growing sugar instead of food and the sugar can be sold at the end of the session on the commerce market or stored.

So basically Rum is the most profitable but requires the most coordination to produce.


WIND MILL {city or estate} ( Costs 5 shields/labor)
Allows up to 4 labor to convert 2 grain into 2 flour per labor. Flour sells on the food market at a 50% bonus.


BAKERY {city only} (Costs 4 shields/labor)
Allows up to 4 labor to convert up 2 food into 4 Snacks per labor (1 to 2 conversion).
And/or convert up 2 flour into 6 Pasteries per labor (1 to 3 conversion).

Snacks sell on the commerce market with no bonus. Pasteries sell on the commerce market with a 50% bonus.
Both Snacks and Pasteries may be sold through Shoppes and recieve the Shoppe bonus.


LUMBER MILL {city or estate} (Costs 5 shields/labor)
Requires tile to have river access.

Allows up to 4 labor to convert 1 shield into 2 half-shields per labor. Half-shields function exactly like shields but sell at half the price, representing crafted construction supplies. (Your turning logs (used to build log cabins) into lumber (thinner strips of wood))


RACE TRACK {city or estate} (Costs 5 shields/labor)
Requires 1 labor to operate per every 4 horses and must run at least 2 horses.
Generates 1 commerce per pop of cities with the racetrack in their radius for each labor required and that commerce is considered sold at D:S. The commerce IS considered part of the supply in the D:S calculation (it was from the Pop's disposable income).

(Example if you are running 4 horses, 1 labor, 1 commerce for each pop. Running 5 horses, requires 2 labor, generates 2 commerce for each pop.)

Each horse must come from a different player, no player can enter more than one horse per racetrack. Its up to the racetrack owner on how they want to compensate or hire players to enter horses or amount of purse if offered.

Race results will be determined by a Commisioner who CANNOT enter any horses.

Horses (commerce generated from tiles with the Horse resource) sell on the commerce market with a 30% bonus to final sale price.
Note that currently the only source of horses is notyoueither.
Horses can be kept on any tile that produces a food and as long as only one horse is kept on each tile it has no effect on the tiles food production. For each pair of horses on the same tile, 1 food is consumed.


PAPER MILL {city or estate} (Costs 5 shields/labor)
Requires tile to have river access.

Allows up to 4 labor to convert 1 shield into 2 paper per labor. Paper sells on the commerce market.


BINDERY {city or estate} (Costs 3 shields/labor)
Representing scribes before the printing press

Allows up to 4 labor to convert 1 paper into 1 book (or 2 pamphlets) per labor. Books and Pamphlets sell in the commerce market with the Literature subDemand. Books sell at 150% D/S and Pamphlets sell at 75% of D/S.


PRINTER {city or estate} (Costs 5 shields/labor)
A Binder can be upgraded after the discovery of the Printing Press for 2 shields/labor.

A Printer basically doubles what a labor can do versus a Bindery.

Allows up to 4 labor to convert 2 paper into 2 books (or 4 pamphlets) per labor. Books and Pamphlets sell in the commerce with the Literature subDemand.


Literature subDemand is equal to the market's pop x the literacy rate with an additional +1 added for each library and university in the market. As long as the subDemand is not met, all "literature" products sell at a 50% bonus.[/quote]
I'd be all about a Banana Press making Banana parchement but Jungle tiles jsut don't produce much.



To build a building in a city you must hire at least one labor from that city. Additional labor may be brought in from any noble's estate, but the first labor must be from the city or local authorities will not allow any construction on your building to take place.

Labor for Rural Businesses must come from vassals or a city that has the tile in question in its city radius.

The only building that will be "useable" the turn its built is Storehouse. All others technically use the turn to alter/sell products and should be in existence at the beginning of the turn to generate benefits.




ADDITIONAL RULES
Trade proposals
Solution 1:
The solution is generalized and is:

The nobles specify the amount of the commodity they want to sell/buy and their minimum/maximum price. The price they receive will be equal to the calculated D:S unless D:S is lower/higher than the minimum price in which case the commodity is not sold/bought.

example:
Market Assesment 4:4=$100
OneGuy offers one commerce and sets a minimum price of $70
SecondGuy offers two commerce and sets a minimum price of $0
ThirdGuy offers one commerce and sets a minimum price of $40

The turn is closed. Final D:S=4:8=$50


We are leaving the Grace Period at 15 turns but operate under the original
rules that you can buy unowned tiles after you have paid off your debt. And you can borrow
money to buy up to 3 new tiles if their total value is less than $1000 or as much as you need
on one tile. (nye- if you make $301 this
turn you can pay off your debt and be eligible to bid on tiles with a government loan)




CONSTRUCTION STATUS

Franses has built 4 of ? on a building in a city/estate.


COMMERCIAL HOLDINGS (Active during this session)
APOLYTON
notyoueither owns a Eatery in Apolyton

GhengisFarb owns a Tavern(Inn) in Apolyton

GhengisFarb owns a Shoppe(Inn) in Apolyton
Kloreep owns a Shoppe in Apolyton
notyoueither owns a Shoppe in Apolyton

GhengisFarb owns a Inn in Apolyton


BHQ
GhengisFarb owns a Tavern(Inn) in BHQ

GhengisFarb owns a Shoppe(Inn) in BHQ

GhengisFarb owns a Inn in BHQ


TASSAGRAD
GhengisFarb owns a Tavern(Inn) in Tassagrad

GhengisFarb owns a Shoppe(Inn) in Tassagrad

GhengisFarb owns a Inn in Tassagrad


TERMINA
Epistax owns a Tavern? in Termina
GhengisFarb owns a Tavern(Inn) in Termina

Nimitz owns a Shoppe(Marketplace) in Termina
UnOrthOdOx owns a Shoppe(Marketplace) in Termina

GhengisFarb owns a Inn in Termina


TIMELINE
GhengisFarb owns a Shoppe(Marketplace) in Timeline

Kloreep owns a Bakery in Timeline


GAIA
GhengisFarb owns a Shoppe in Gaia

Jonny owns a Hardware Store in Gaia


RURAL HOLDINGS
GhengisFarb owns a Storehouse on tile 026 BHQ N (mountain)
GhengisFarb owns a Brewery on tile Termina ene "Duff Brewery - West"
GhengisFarb owns a Brewery on tile BHQ N "Ghengis Mountain"
GhengisFarb owns a Brewery on tile Apolyton nnw "Duff Brewery - East"

Kloreep owns a Storehouse on tile 006 Apolyton NW11 (mined grass rd)

=OttimusCeasar= owns a Storehouse on tile 022 Tassagrad NW (jungle)

UnOrthOdOx owns a Lumber Mill on 013 Termina NE1
UnOrthOdOx owns a Paper Press on 013 Termina NE1
UnOrthOdOx owns a Bindery on 013 Termina NE1
UnOrthOdOx owns a Storehouse on 013 Termina NE1


DIRECTONAL LEGEND FOR TILE LOCATIONS
For Example, if the city was Timeline, the Green tile would be "Timeline wnw", and the blue tile would be "Timeline S".

Current Land Holdings..........
1)adaMada
2)Captain
3)civman2000
4)Darkness' Edge
5)Duddha
..."Dudeville"
6)Epistax
..."Epistan Plantation"
7)Franses
8)GhengisFarb
...a)"Ghengis Mountain"
...b)"Jungleister"
...c)"Apolyfield"
9)jdd2007
..."The Jungle Farm"
10)Jonny
11)Kloreep
12)Kramerman
..."Kramerman's Brothel Ranch"

13)Nimitz
14)notyoueither
..."The Mustang Ranch"
15)Rendelnep
..."Sam's Minor Land Holding"
16)Shiek
17)skywalker
18)Spiffor
..."Woodworks"
19)UnOrthOdOx
..."The Gazette Ranch"
20)=OttomusCeasar=
21)Apocalypse[/size]


New Players can borrow money to buy up to 3 tiles if their total value is less than $1000 or as much as you need on one tile. You have a 15 turn grace period that is interest free and tax free to pay back the loan. After the 15 turns are over you must pay 10% interest on your outstanding debt each turn.


A) $1250 Timeline N (1 food, 2 shields 2 commerce)

B) $750 Timeline nne (1 food, 2 commerce)

C) $1000 Timeline NE (2 food, 2 commerce)

D) $200 Timeline ne2 (1 food)

E) $750 Gaia wnw (1 food, 2 commerce)

F) $200 Gaia wsw (1 food)

G) $1000 Timeline ene (1 food, 3 commerce)

H) $200 Gaia nw2 (1 food)

I) $1500 Gaia W (2 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)

J) $1500 Gaia sw2 (2 food, 4 Dye(commerce))

K) $200 Gaia nnw (1 food)

L) $2000 Gaia NW (3 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)

M) $1500 Gaia SW (2 food, 4 Dye(commerce))

N) $750 Gaia ssw (1 food, 2 commerce)

O) $1250 Gaia N (2 food, 3 commerce)

P) $2000 Gaia S (2 food, 1 shield, 4 Dye(commerce))

Q) $750 Gaia nne (1 food, 2 commerce)

R) $1500 Gaia NE (3 food, 3 commerce)

S) $1500 Gaia SE (2 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)

T) $200 Gaia sse (1 food)

U) $2000 Gaia ne2 (3 food, 4 Dye(commerce))

V) $1250 Gaia E (2 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce)

W) $200 Gaia se2 (1 food)

X) $1000 Timeline SE - (2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce)

Y) $200 Gaia ene (1 food)

Z) $200 Gaia ese (1 food)



Any new player may bid and the following current players meet the requirements to bid (no debt):

Captain (Cash $1775, Debt $0)
civman2000 (Cash $750, Debt $0)
Duddha (Cash $929, Debt $0)
Frances (Cash $405 in Royal Treasury)
GhengisFarb (Cash=$3960, Debt=$0)
jdd2007 (Cash $762, Debt $0)
Jonny (Cash $376, Debt $0)
Kramerman (Cash $545 in Royal Treasury)
notyoueither (Cash $931, Debt $0)
=OptimusCeasar= (Cash $1028, Debt $0)
rendelnep (Cash $525, Debt $0)
Shiek (Cash $153 in Royal Treasury)
skywalker (Cash $405 in Royal Treasury)
UnOrthOdOx (Cash $731, Debt $0)

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

CURRENT PLAYER PRODUCTION

1)adaMada (5 food, 2 shields, 4 commerce)

2)Captain (2 food, 1 shield, 3 commerce)

3)civman2000 (2 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce)

4)Darkness' Edge (4 food, 1 shields, 2 commerce)

5)Duddha (12 food, 2 shields, 9 commerce)

6)Epistax (4 food, 1 shields, 4 commerce)

8)GhengisFarb (35 food, 15 shields, 33 commerce)

9)jdd2007 (11 food, 1 shields, 15 commerce)

10)Jonny (6 food, 5 shields, 9 commerce)

11)Kloreep (8 food, 5 shields, 6 commerce)

13)Nimitz (6 food, 4 shields, 9 commerce)

14)notyoueither (9 food, 4 shields, 8 commerce, 3 Horses(commerce))

15)Rendelnep (2 food, 1 shields, 2 commerce)

18)Spiffor (1 food, 2 shields, 2 commerce)

19)UnOrthOdOx (8 food, 4 shields, 11 commerce)

20)=OttomusCeasar= (5 food, 1 shields, 4 commerce)

21)Apocalypse (2 food, 4 commerce)

I made have made mistakes, so you might want to doublecheck.

Remember we are now under Republic and each tile that produced a commerce now produces 1 more commerce. (nye now produces 3 horses per turn)

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Bid $250 on D
Bid $250 on F
Bid $1000 on G
Bid $1500 on J
Bid $1500 on M
Bid $750 on N
Bid $2000 on P
Bid $250 on T

[=OttomusCeasar=]

I would like to bid $2000 on tile L (using a loan) and $200 on H, W, Y, Z, and K.

[Kloreep]

Unortho, do you have any slots in your lumber mill I could rent? I can provide both shields and labor, and and I'd be interested in either one or two slots, depending on how many you can rent.

[Nimitz]

Banana Pastures , Turn 12.  Admin: Nimitiz
Holdings: 
     NW Banana HQ, 2/1/3
     Gotham SE, 2/1/3
     Timeline S, 2/2/3
Buildings:
     Shoppe in Termania
Stockpile: 0+0 food    0+0 shields    0+0 commerce
Production:  6 food      4 shields      9 commerce
Cash Change: $0
     0    Selling
     0    Buying
Current Cash: $1900     Debt: 2000
Selling:
     6 Food  @ min $40 each
     4 shield @ min $40 each
     9 Comm  @ min $40 each
Buying:

pay off all my debt.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Kloreep, I will rent you 2 @ either $20 ea, or 1 half shield for both.

Gazette Estates:

Current Stockpile:
0 food, 0 shield, 0 Commerce, 2 half Shield, 4 Paper (GF, you made a mistake on typing last turns, I had 2 labor working 2 shield in the paper mill), 1 horse, 6 vassals
Production: 8 food (11 - 3 for vassals), 4 shield, 11 commerce
731 cash, 0 debt

Proposed transactions:

Hire 3 labor from Termina @ 130 max
Hire 4 Labor from Gaia @ 130 max
Purchase 3 shield @ d/s

4 Gaia Labor and 1 vassals work 3 shield and 2 half shield to build Book Store (specialty shoppe) in Gaia
3 Termina Labor and 1 vassal work 4 Paper in Bindery
2 vassals work 2 shield in Paper Press
2 vassals work 2 shield in Lumber Mill

Sell 8 food @ $1 Min
Sell 6 Commerce through Shoppe @ $1 Min
Sell 5 Commerce @ $1 Min

Bid $10 on 2 French Vassals

Did I get it right that time?

[UnOrthOdOx]

Looking to trade this tile for one closer to either my other tiles, or, preferrably, one in Termina's City Radius.

It is currently Jungle, but also gains from the River bonus, which allows for several strategic options. Please post any offers.

[UnOrthOdOx]

oops. Attachment...

Tile in Chartres territory

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Looking to trade this tile for one closer to either my other tiles, or, preferrably, one in Termina's City Radius.

It is currently Jungle, but also gains from the River bonus, which allows for several strategic options. Please post any offers.

I'd be willing to trade you the tile immediately to the East of it.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

jdd2007 would you be interested in the following trade?

You would come out making 1 more food per turn.

[jdd2007]

yes i agree

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by jdd2007
yes i agree

Okay, assume it happened at the beginning of this turn and add +1 to your food production to sale and I'll subtract 1 my food production.

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
CURRENT PLAYER PRODUCTION
8)GhengisFarb (35 food, 15 shields, 33 commerce)

9)jdd2007 (11 food, 1 shields, 15 commerce)

Is now...
8)GhengisFarb (34 food, 15 shields, 33 commerce)

9)jdd2007 (12 food, 1 shields, 15 commerce)

[jdd2007]

The Jungle Farm[insert trademark symbol here]

Turn: 12
Admin. by: jdd2007
Holdings: Jungle and Grassland Squares
Buildings: none
Stockpile: empty
Production: 12 food 1 shields 15 commerce
Cash: $762
Debt: 0
Selling:
10 Food @ min $4 each
1 shield @ min $4 each
15 Comm @ min $4 each
Buying:
2 Vassals

[Kloreep]

Estate of Kloreep
Turn #: 011
Holdings: 006 Apolyton NW11 (mined bonus grass rd)
020 Tassagrad SW (mined grass rd)
Timeline wsw - (grass rd river)
Timeline nw2 - (grass river)

Stockpile: 0 food, 1 shield, 0 commerce
Vassals: 4 Persian
Production this turn: 8 food, 3 shields, 9 commerce
Cash: $317
Debt: $750
Buildings: Shoppe in Apolyton
Storehouse on Estate
Bakery in Timeline

Administered by: Kloreep

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Proposed Deals:

2 Food eaten by vassals
Sell 6 food @ $50 minimum
Sell 9 commerce @ $30 minimum (6 through shoppe, 3 on normal market)
Bid $15 each on 1 French and 1 Babylonian vassal
Pay Unorthodox $40 to rent 2 slots in his lumber mill
Use 2 labor to work 2 shields into 4 half-shields in Unortho's mill
Hire 3 labor from Timeline @ $100 max
Use the 3 labor and my other two vassals to build a lumber mill on Timeline wsw using 4 half-shields and another shield
Pay off all possible debt