War Academy: Plans for France

[Meshelic]

I think Apoc is now on to something here...

[Aggie]

I'll post tomorrow with a detailed plan of attack and a time table. First of all the time of attack is flexible, but as togas mentioned it must be before France gets GP. Currently I am planning a 15knight,3longbowmen attack. More details will be in a thread. I have not asked for a Declaration of war yet becasue it is over a turnchat away and like I said it is flexable. Reddawg I forsee no extra pressure on our infrastructure. The only expenditures of money will be for the other 6 upgrades and 3 archer to longbowmen. Of course 4 more Wc will be needed but that was understood from the beginning The wc upgrade will have to be saved for the intial war turn, since the wc will attack and get Ga that turn.
Aggie

[BigFurryMonster]

Time is running out for a Golden Age! Our chariots are becoming dusty and obsolete...

[nz_upy]

The reality is that although we would like to put off our GA until our infrastructure is up to standard, so that we can take full advantage of a GA, we pin this "perfect world" dream on the fact that we get Hoovers Dam or 20+ turns down the track we beat a lone warrior/archer/spearmen/pikeman/musketman with our WC's which becomes increasingly unlikely as time goes by and the advent of Gunpowder.

[WhiteBandit]

Lazy Worker Strategy

I've used a similiar method to this a few times during the past two terms in office. I hereby dub it the Lazy Worker Strategy (L.W.S) .

Basically, we can send workers into foreign territory. They will ask us to "leave or else" after one turn, but from everything I have ever played, or any scenerio I tried to setup, they would always forget about the workers. Perhaps I could send a cheap slave to sit and "guard" the Greek resources (and perhaps we can send others to guard other resources before they are connected). I'm not sure how well this would work, but if they do in fact forget about us, well we have succesfully blocked their strategic resource. If they were to suprise attack us, we end up losing a slave worker (no big deal IMHO).

Perhaps this would be a strategy to consider?

[Torkkeli]

[rp]
Hell no, we wont go!

Make love, not war!

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No seriously.
Scientific progress has made our glorius chariots useless.
Lets build up our empire and take the french and the others a bit later when we have strong economy to back up our wars.

As one needs strong economy to build strong and effective armies.

[Meshelic]

Use workers to block their strategic resources? Couldn't say I've tried it before, but I think the Public Works minister might have a complaint about that.

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Apocalypse
2. We can also get them through culture.

Although these resourses are bye our borders, we will not be able to aquire then culturaly as all the resourses are outside of our city radii and inside theirs. The only way I can see us getting these resoures by culture is by flipping and I don't think that would (or could) happen for a VERY long time.

Additionally, I have done some math on the defenses of the three objestive cities (Amiens, Lyons and Besancon). All three of these cities are on hills and defended by at least two pike in each.

Pike = 3 defense
Fortified = .75
Hill = 1.5
Total = 5.25

That would make 2 units at 5.25 defense vs ?? units at 4 attack.

An invasion of France does not look feasable at this time.

[Shiber]

We have veteran units, we have greater numbers and we have catapults.
Just remember that the first war wasn't much easier. They had spearmen as defense, which after the fortification and hills bonuses had a 3.5 defense against our swordsmen and their 3 attack.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Reasons for war with France are pretty much the same as they were for Persia.

We have the ability to take them out now BEFORE they build their UU, musketeers as they haven't connected their Saltpeter yet. We would gain TWO saltpeter resources which are going to be HOT trading commodities for a while. We would connect Hole in the Wall to the rest of the empire. We would gain control of the strategic bottleneck. We would eliminate France from the game and no longer have to worry about French national citizens in our cities.

[WhiteBandit]

Originally posted by Meshelic
Use workers to block their strategic resources? Couldn't say I've tried it before, but I think the Public Works minister might have a complaint about that.

I am the Public Works minister.

(at least for one more day or so :P)

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Shiber
We have veteran units, we have greater numbers and we have catapults.
Just remember that the first war wasn't much easier. They had spearmen as defense, which after the fortification and hills bonuses had a 3.5 defense against our swordsmen and their 3 attack.

None of the French Cities we took were on hills. They were fortified spears in small cities. That is a defensive rating of 2.75. That is .25 less then what we were attacking with. Against France, we would be attacking with a 1.25 deficeit. The Catapults, on the other hand, might (notice its small) make this possible.

[Shiber]

You're right donegeal. However I think you are underestimating the effect that three catapults can have on a battle to take a city. Essentially, a single successful catapult bombardment can turn an enemy veteran defender into a regular, for instance.

[Hot Mustard]

Let the Peace be!

Are we Apolytonians or Mongols?

We can still prepare for (inevitable) wars, but let's not start the next one.

Those fearing the lost opportunity for GA: there will always be that last spearman/archer/swordsman defending an enemy city, after killing all the musketeers/pikemen.

[Meshelic]

dejon - unfortunately, time is not in our favor. quick, preemptive strikes are necessary to prevent our enemies from becoming more powerful and thereby able to kill us later.