Do we want GA now poll(Official)

[joncnunn]

What's to guartine a war with France won't drag on for 20 turns?

[WhiteBandit]

It is foolish to wait any longer for a GA.

As time goes on, our WC will lose their effectiveness. Then a GA will become very difficult for us. We are pulling in 130+ LPT at the moment. A Golden Age will substantially increase this amount of LPT we pull in.

Right now we can take advantage of increased income as well as increased production (so we don't have to worry about rushing buildings).

Switch to republic, once we get republic, attack America. I'll be very disappointed if we don't take advantage of this opportunity.

What is to say France won't have gun powder in 20 or less turns? Our WCs will be very ineffective by then.

We need to do it now.

(Interesting to note, I'm currently in the library at my college and listening to the girls across from me talk on porn channels. It's definitely hard to be serious about the affairs of our nation when these girls are whispering "OH MY GOD, HE'S LOADIN UP HIS WEBCAM!!")

[Mr. Orange]

At the moment, a GA through America is about convenience. I think Donegeal's "whack" strategy can give us a GA at our choosing.

[zeit]

Yes Mr.Orange, you're right. And again, about the WC being ineffective, well the france have warriors, and we can easily pick one warrior with a WC, at our leisure. The war can be made short if we strike hard and fast, and Aggie proved that he can do that, for now, let us prepare for this GA.

[joncnunn]

Looking at the prelimary results of the Palace poll and assuming the pair in the leads wins.

I won't be supporting a war against France next, we'll flip the French city next to Timeline anyway.

Instead we'll be needing to annex the following:

1. England (except for lone city in Aztec land) followed by eastern third of Germany to secure that site.

2. Border Greek cities near Timeline. (Note that the French city boarding Timeline will culture flip to us anyway.)

[wervdon]

I voted no, Id at least like to see our GA be during a republic or democracy. Ideally, Id like to see us with marketplaces & libraries and working on banks/universities (not built, being built).

[Togas]

Originally posted by Arnelos
The government would still, as required by the CoL, have to conduct an official poll on declaring war against France in order to have authorization to do so. The people voting no on this vote would then be able to vote no on that one. While that would certainly FURTHER delay our GA, there may be people who want to do that.

Though I'm not one of them, I can certainly see why many would support such a plan.

This goes right to heart of my concern: The builders don't want a GA now, but they also don't want a war later. You can't have it both ways.

Pick one. Make your choice. Either GA now and peace and prosperity, or GA later through yet another war. Understand and be able to live with the logical consequences of your choice.

--Togas

[WhiteBandit]

Originally posted by zeit
Yes Mr.Orange, you're right. And again, about the WC being ineffective, well the france have warriors, and we can easily pick one warrior with a WC, at our leisure. The war can be made short if we strike hard and fast, and Aggie proved that he can do that, for now, let us prepare for this GA.

The problem is that no one seems to be taking into account the fact that France might not have warriors by the time we attack them. The could possibly have gun powder by way of another nation. It isn't much of a deal for them to upgrade their units.

Even our "pruning" strategy is falliable. The longer we wait, the less effective our WCs will be at being succesful.

[GodKing]

banana option? Ok. Add one banana.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Togas


This goes right to heart of my concern: The builders don't want a GA now, but they also don't want a war later. You can't have it both ways.

Pick one. Make your choice. Either GA now and peace and prosperity, or GA later through yet another war. Understand and be able to live with the logical consequences of your choice.

--Togas

Togas,

As I said, I'm not one of them, but I can see where they're coming from... many of them honestly believe that we can trigger the GA with Hoover Dam or Manhattan Project. I happen to believe this is risky and we should do it now, but because these are possibilities, I can understand why many people feel the risk is worth it.

[E_T]

If we want to become the Dominate Power on the Continant, then we NEED the GA NOW!!! Yes, our Infrastructure/City improvements are lacking, but that's because of a glorious war against Persia. We are at the point where buying Technology is Prohibative and would cripple our economy. We need a really big boost and this will be it.

As it currently stands, we would NOT beable to even think about building a Wonder in this Age. So, will we be able to get one in the next age? Not if we don't have the GA now.

We can begin the slow climb at building our capability to compete with the other Civs (the one that should have been started Two Months ago) or we can have a faster boost that will help remedy our current shortfall.

We just had an Emergency Cabinet Meeting concerning dealing with the possible loss of the Spices (and the Staining of our Reputation from it). Some of us want to wait 20 turns and use our WC's on France to get our GA then, but then we need to remember a few things first:

1) We will be renegotiating out Dye trade with France in 3 turns (520 AD). Do we not sell them our Dyes, so that we won't have to wait the additional 20 turns for that deal to expire?

2) We will be renegotiating out Wine trade with France in 15 turns (640 AD). Do we not sell them our Wines, so that we won't have to wait the additional 20 turns for that deal to expire?

Are we willing to lose the income that these deals might generate so that we can get a GA at the 'Perfect time"? We have an opportunity NOW to get a GA, without any reputaion hits, without any income losses and without any significant War Weiriness from the conflict. In 20 turns or so, we'll have a greater population and will have to deal with the problem then.

I say GA NOW is the best route for our nation.

[joncnunn]

The deals with the France is another reason that France shouldn't be on our immedate list.

England & Germany are the primary threats to the Forbidden Palace / Palace city pair leading in the polls.

[Kloreep]

How long does this poll last?

[jdjdjd]

Good point Kloreep, this poll has no time listed, it will not be valid if pressed. Aggie, I suggest you read the CoL, and redo this so it is not contested.

Togas,
Many Builders, like myself and Arnelos, are for a GA now, so I'm not sure why you specify builders against GA. Perhaps its the Hawks you meant to say. Though, I thank you for not blaming the DIA for the way this poll is shaping up, fortunately this poll would be found invalid if presented to the court.

To all,
As an ex-Justice of the Court, my services are available for legal consultation and/or legal representation.

[WhiteBandit]

Hmm... well the court hasn't had any good cases in awhile. . . .