VP campaign thread

[UnOrthOdOx]

Again, no one is starting these... Come on candidates! Make some threads.




Arnelos.

What do you see as the role of the VP, and how do you plan to accomplish those tasks?


(Yes, you are the only candidate...for now...there are a few days left, you know)

[Sean]

With a candidate as strong as Arnelos, who would be silly enough to bother standing against him?

[Donegeal]

[RP]

Vote The Great Banana! We Cannot have the leader of the rebels in such a high position!

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[Sean]

Actually, a vote that way won't stop his election.

Which is good, as he is a fine candidate.

[Donegeal]

I know, I'm even planning to vote for him, it was just RP.

[RP]

Long Live the King! Save the Monarchy!

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[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by Sean
With a candidate as strong as Arnelos, who would be silly enough to bother standing against him?

I could think of one or two, especially if he doesn't start answering questions...

[Arnelos]

Hey, I'm back Been really busy over the previous 24 hours...

Lemme think on a detailed answer to Unortho's question and I'll post it in this thread probably by this evening (I'm just getting up to read the paper at the moment, I'll be back to do long posts this evening )

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx


I could think of one or two, especially if he doesn't start answering questions...

I REALLY BADLY hope that those candidates put their names forward. We would have the very bestest elections ever!

[Arnelos]

Grr... due to current events in the area I live in, plans have changed for the day (outdoor events keep getting cancelled - I hope this idiotic serial killer gets caught sometime soon...)

So, anyways... I used a little of my extra time this morning to go look up a bunch of extremely ancient VP campaign threads and other old CoL stuff about the VP.

A summary I was writing as I went along follows:


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Original post by MrWhereItsAt about the duties of VP (as polled for the original CoL back in June):
- posts nomination threads
- posts election polls
- becomes minister if that minster is absent 24 hours
- becomes prez in event of abdication - holds position until next elections

TERM 1 ELECTION:

Space05us ran on:
- Experience in Civ2 demo game
- online at least once per day
- running against someone with only 1 post
- ran as a "pragmatist" rather than as a dedicated pacifist or dedicated hawk

Election Results (June 11 - June 16):
Space05us: 48 (78.69%)
Nuclear Master: 13 (21.31%)

TERM 1 REPLACEMENT ELECTION:

Timeline (DIA):
- VP's main job is to be primed and ready to take over should anything happen to the President
- VP should be active, present for turnchats when possible, interested in the game and involved
- Would help Prez and other ministers on various projects or when needed
- The VP should, as with any gov't official, put aside partisanship while performing official duties

Vlad Antlerkov (UFC):
- France is a threat to us, I would like to ensure that we destroy France and expand in that direction

Others:
- WhereItsAt chimed in to argue that the VP should serve as something of "the people's spokesperson" in the gov't
- Timeline came to argue that the VP should not use the post (which largely figure-head) to push a particular policy, such as war with France (which is the issue Vlad Antlerkov was running on)

Election Results (June 24 - June 29):
Timeline (DIA): 35 (58.33%)
Vlad Antlerkov (UFC): 25 (41.67%)

TERM 2 ELECTION:

Timeline (DIA):
- ran on same platform as Term 1 special race
- re-iterated argument that VP's main job is just to be ready in the event the president resigns or goes missing
- responded to Apoc's argument that the VP should not be in a party by asking why it's then ok for the Prez to be from a party
- Argued that the DIA is based upon "being cool-headed" and reasonable/practicable. Worries that candidates of the party would use their positions to go declare war on opposing civs because they felt like it were not a concern with the DIA as they were with the UFC.

Apocalypse (Independent):
- Apoc argued that the VP should not be a member of a political party
- The VP should fill in missing minister positions or Prez as needed
- People should vote person before party
- If VP is from a party and fills in for someone of another party, this could change policy

Others:
- several posters pointed out that VP is largely just figure-head

The race:
The race got mildly ugly when Apoc quoted a joke/roleplay post by Timeline and used it as an example of Timeline's partisanship. An argument ensued about the roleplay nature of the post and even over the mispelling of words in posts by either candidate...

Election Results (July 12 - July 17):
Timeline (DIA): 78 (73.58%)
Apocalypse (Independent): 28 (26.42%)

TERM 3 ELECTION:

UnOrthOdOx:
- "organize" the gov't
- create a directory thread
- wants to help with pre-poll discussions and setting up official polls
- If he ran a turnchat, he would be implementing orders of the ministers, not creating policy in the name of his party
- does not want to make radical changes or make "tons of amendments"

Election Results (August 13 - August 18):
UnOrthOdOx: 55 (90.16%)
Banana (abstain): 6 (9.84%)

TERM 4 ELECTION:

Apocalypse:
- Apoc admitted he could not keep up organization of Unortho (which went beyond the duties of the office, to Unortho's credit), but would certainly be available to replace the Prez if needed
- Apoc answered Unortho's question by saying he had no specific plans on organization, but would react to chaos as it appeared

Others:
- Ninot asked two questions: (1) could he keep up organization, (2) could he be available to replace the Prez
- Unortho asked if he had ANY plans for organization

Election Results (September 12 - September 17):
Apocalypse: 45 (86.54%)
The Big Banana (abstain): 7 (13.46%)

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Current CoL listing for the Vice President:

The right hand of the President; he may assist the president in any way currently needed (holding polls, consulting ministers, distributing the save files, etc). In the event the President is unable to play his turn, the Vice-president shall play the turn instead.

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So now I'm thinking about the history of the VP position and how it might evolve under my own leadership. Give me some time to think about that and other related issues and then I'll post with some detailed thoughts on those issues.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx


I could think of one or two, especially if he doesn't start answering questions...

Which begs the question... what questions? I have not yet been asked any questions in this thread other than the extremely vague one in the title post... (one I'm thinking about... which is why I did the research on the history of the position)

However, I went ahead and looked up the history of questions asked of VP candidates since no-one other than Unortho has bothered to ask me one yet

THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED WHEN ARNELOS REALIZED HE IS GOING BLIND (I purchased reading glasses last week... just haven't started wearing them )

[UnOrthOdOx]

I asked what YOU thought the job of the VP SHOULD be, and how you plan to accomplish it...I have follow ups, do you want them all at the same time?

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
I asked what YOU thought the job of the VP SHOULD be, and how you plan to accomplish it...I have follow ups, do you want them all at the same time?

Yes, please... I'll answer them in a super-post

[Arnelos]

The VP campaign thread now has more posts in it than even the City Planner campaign thread

[MrWhereItsAt]

OK, here's one...

What do you regard as your NUMBER ONE priority job as VP? This need not be some new amendment (although it could be), but may be something already prescribed in the Constitution, or even something not there that you think would just be helpful.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
OK, here's one...

What do you regard as your NUMBER ONE priority job as VP? This need not be some new amendment (although it could be), but may be something already prescribed in the Constitution, or even something not there that you think would just be helpful.

I don't need to think long and hard about that one... and I agree with the history of candidates for the position on the answer:

The number one responsibility of the VP is to be generally active and knowledgable on aspects of the game, that they can be always prepared to take on the reponsibilities of president should that position go vacant at any time.

In order to remain active and knowledgable, it would only be expected that the VP would continue to remain active as they did before they were VP (posting in threads, starting polls where appropriate, and staying up-to-date on events... attending turnchats, etc.). This is precisely the types of activities I would think are expected of an active VP who is doing what they can to be prepared.

That said, I am thinking about various other things I'd like to do which might outside the CoL-perscribed duties for the VP, but I'll post on that stuff in more detail probably later today (right now, I need to go get FOOD and then write an article for Unortho ).