War!!!!!!!!

[joncnunn]

Perhaps we can invite residents of our cities along the American border to desingated picnic spots so they can sip tea while watching the battle.

[GodKing]

I say we look and inspect ALL options prior to starting any new wars.

I want to focus on our own development. We are lacking in defence. We have how many markets - ONE, in a city where the persians built it. Many of our cities don't even have a temple, let alone a courthouse, library or cathedral.

Sure, a golden age will help a lot, but we are still lacking. I think we need the american cities sometime, along with the greek, if we are to be victors. But we have to rest a while, change to a better government, and so forth. Time to rearm, refresh, and take a new look at things.

I voted for war, because it doesn't state WHEN. Hopefully it will be after we have done some scouting, and considered any and all alternatives.

Perhaps we can ally with the americans against the aztec, and still gain the cities? The germans hate the aztec (just ended a war) so it shouldn't be too hard to get them to attack on our side.

What about letting the cities fall, and just purchasing a lot of culture in the area?

I have not seen anybody even look at these ideas, simple as they are, let alone say any other ideas than just "move everything there and kill them".

Other idea - sell american tech and iron adn lux and what not to let them defend themselves for the next 20 turns while we organize.

Get someone to attack the aztec while we rebuild, germany and greece just ended a war. England is close and needs to expand. If we bribe someone far away, they will use there money and bribe other civs to join in. The world against the aztec.

IMO the aztec are the only ones we have to worry about with uber isle as they have the lighthouse. Nobody else can sail there yet, at least not til we fill the place up. How does this fact play in our calculations. They may have a settler on the way there right now.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by GodKing
We have how many markets - ONE, in a city where the persians built it.

What's a market?

Originally posted by GodKing
IMO the aztec are the only ones we have to worry about with uber isle as they have the lighthouse. Nobody else can sail there yet, at least not til we fill the place up. How does this fact play in our calculations. They may have a settler on the way there right now.

There is only one open city site left on Uber. And its the crappiest one. If AGC builds a settler it will be on the last city site in two turns of movement.

[GodKing]

marketplace.

[Proserpine]

I voted for war, but only b'cos they're goners anyway and we don't want Aztecia to get those resouces. We should wait until 520 to declare if we can.

After this, we MUST have peace to build.

[Thud]

Huzzah GK!

[Arnelos]

GK... war with the Aztecs HAS been discussed and I think most of us who have brought it up uanimously agreed it was horrendously stupid, for just the reasons you bring up about us needing to stop the wars and go to peace. If we go to war with the Aztecs, there's no way to guarantee that we won't be at war for at least the next 3-4 turnchats, even if its only a phony war.

That means we have to put off switching to Republic and, if the war is actually hot with Aztec armies coming at us, then we have to build troops and fight the war rather than building improvements in our cities. So it's a no deal in my opinion, even if we're allied to the Germans.

We want to get those American cities IF WE CAN, but the top priority at the moment is getting these wars OVER WITH so we can concentrate, at least for a little time, on doing precisely the infrastructure development you suggest.

[wervdon]

Kill them, and may it be the war to end all wars At least for a period of 20 turns :P

Oh and don't ally with the aztecs. There's a bug with eliminating civs and it counting as a broken deal. If we ally with the aztecs, and america is destroyed (thus prematurely ending the alliance) it'll probally count against our reputation. I know it will if gpt or resources are involved cause it happened like that in my last game, suddenly no one wanted to trade me for resources or gpt


EDIT: Discussion thread I started on the general forum a few weeks back when it happened to me where others confirmed it is a known bug is here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=62104

[Shiber]

wervdon, I've seen your thread in the Civ3-General forum. Intereting stuff...
Are all versions affected by this? What version are you playing?

[UnOrthOdOx]

That explains a few of my games...

[UnOrthOdOx]

/me points out 60 votes so far

That's pretty good, considering our average of late!

[Arnelos]

Very true, Unortho... I guess a lot of people who normally don't post here noticed and decided to post on this one... think the timing of the Gazette might have had something to do with that?

[UnOrthOdOx]

Did I write a story on this? I didn't think I did...

/me runs to go check


edit: NO, no I didn't. Ok, I guess I can still do the one I was planning for tonight then.

[Arnelos]

Yeah, I said "timing" with italics because I knew it musth have been the timing of the Gazette that re-uped general interest in the game (and a thread entitled "War!!!!!!!!" was likely to be the first read )

[joncnunn]

Perhaps we should upgrade to 1.29f before we take the last American city?