Machiavelli Institute: Aztec Encroachment

[Robber Baron]

The Aztecs have taken Washington. Jaguar Warriors (actually, probably jaguar knights) are on the march (actually, the gallop). Chicago seems threatened. The Americans are in no position to resist. They will quickly be engulfed, if Montezuma has indeed mounted a full-scale invasion.

What should we do? Is it too late to marshal a military campaign to seize, at least, Chicago? I assume we don't want to go to war with the Aztecs for this prize. (They outnumber us militarily, and have knights.) Thoughts?

[zeit]

if chicago will be taken, then we'll just have to seize all the rest for ourselves, anyway, we should mount an attack ASAP, with the few knights we can have from upgrading the WC. Anyhow, war with aztec is definetely not an option right now, or seens like one for the near future.

[Inverse Icarus]

we could sign a military alliance with them against the americans to better relations

well, i wouldn't spend money on it, but it should be considered.

[DAVOUT]

They are now close neighbours, they will visit us repetedly, and we will have to ask them to leave ... We have better to prepare ourselves; peace is slightly delayed ...

[zeit]

I checked the last save (440AD), and right now the Aztec are actually willing to give us all their gold (23g) and their maps for an alliance against america...
even more tempting is getting a good deal on Invention for it, although we are about to acquire this tech from persia, perhaps they even have gunpowder, and we can get that instead?

[Aggie]

We can wait until we beat persia then negotiate the alliance with aztecs when we are ready. It would be cool to get paid for soemthing we are doing anyway.
Aggie

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

No alliance!

America may grow tired and settle for peace with America, that is far less likely if sign an alliance with them against America.

[BigFurryMonster]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
America may grow tired and settle for peace with America, that is far less likely if sign an alliance with them against America.

Uhhh.... I don't know the time zone you're in, but aren't you getting too tired to post on Forums?

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by BigFurryMonster


Uhhh.... I don't know the time zone you're in, but aren't you getting too tired to post on Forums?

It's lunchtime.

[BigFurryMonster]

Well I'd better give you something to think about during lunch, then.

The Aztecs are willing to give us 23 g (all their gold) and their World Map for an Alliance versus the Americans and an Alliance versus the Persians! How 'bout that?

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by BigFurryMonster
Well I'd better give you something to think about during lunch, then.

The Aztecs are willing to give us 23 g (all their gold) and their World Map for an Alliance versus the Americans and an Alliance versus the Persians! How 'bout that?

We want to end the war with the Persians and get all their technology after we have their homeland which is worth quite a bit more than 23 g.

[Aggie]

Ghenigis I was only considering an alliance with the aztects when our troops our going to attack the next turn, not earlier. BFM I wouldn't make an alliance against persia becasue then when we make peace in 2 turns we would take a rep hit.
Aggie

[ruby_maser]

aztec attack!

Since the aztecs already have washington and the bulk of our troops are nearer to Persia (and the best estimate for getting them over that way is 8 or 9 turns), we may have to kiss America goodbye for now.

[zeit]

Originally posted by ruby_maser
Since the aztecs already have washington and the bulk of our troops are nearer to Persia (and the best estimate for getting them over that way is 8 or 9 turns), we may have to kiss America goodbye for now.
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Not neccasarily true, the AI might have only few troops and might fail to capture another city, and their reinforcements might be far off, we can mount small scale attack in 4-5 turns *right Aggie?*, and after another 4 turns bring the rest of the forces, so kissing america goodbye is a bit too pessimistic right now.

[GodKing]

If we are willing to wait 20 turns before taking america, we can gift them some resources to strengthen them.

What about an aliance AGAINST the aztec, with the americans. Does this hurt us diplomatically if we then attack the americans (our nominal allies?)

What about bribing the germans against the aztec. They were just in a war, so I doubt they have good relations.

We have lots of options... time to think.

I suspect that if the americans and aztec were to make peace, it would have occured when the aztec raized the first city (Pittsburgh??? on the coast, about 10-15 turns ago). Now with washington gone, the aztec smell blood and will likely try to kill off the americans. So I would not count on peace, but there are lots of other options.