Ammendment Discussion: Use of Great Leaders

[UnOrthOdOx]

Ammendment (insert # here)

Great Leaders will be used based on the consensus of the City Planner, Military Minister, President, and Vice President.

These officials are strongly recommended to poll the public to determine their desires.

Someone help with wording please.

Suggestions for improvement?

[UnOrthOdOx]

I didn't put to make it based on an official poll because of the time that would require. 3 days for discussion, and 3 for the poll will result in a long stoppage of the game.

Some may think that is prefferable, however.

[Harovan]

Leaders are a very scarce resource. We've been just lucky now to get 2 so quick. So I would not strongly recommend, but require the public poll. The forementioned ministers should discuss a couple of viable options, point out their pros and cons and then poll.

[UnOrthOdOx]

I really feel the same, but just fealt like pointing out that would require AT LEAST a 5 day stoppage of play.

[wervdon]

No more often than it should come up, a game stoppage is not a big deal. I'd require a poll too, they are so rare and important that all our citizens should have their vote and a chance to try to persuade others.

We could also consider pre-polls. For example, we could poll now "If we get another GL in the next 20 turns, what should we use it for? (A) Forbidden Palace (B) Army (C) JS Bachs (D) Adam Smiths .... " Whatever other wonders are coming up in a reasonable time frame. One of those type polls should cover us for 3 or 4 turn chats, though we still may need to hold an official run off poll if it happens unless something had won very decidely.

[wervdon]

Oh and if its not obvious, we'd only need to pre-poll during times of declared war. Otherwise, its not very likely we'll be getting a great leader dropped from the heavens by the great bannana.

[Shiber]

It might also be wise to force the president or vice president to stop playing the game if a GL shows up so that the public and especially the ministers will be able to discuss this in the forum.

[joncnunn]

Well, starting a prepoll when we expect to go to war within 2 turn chats would be good

Since we are still at war, it might be a good idea for a prepoll just in case we get a 3rd one, athough I think the choice is currently obvious given our techs (Army) so perhaps it could wait until there's a possibility that we could buy Invention or Music Theory.

[GodKing]

I wouldn't say necessarily stop the game. Just move the GL to a location that is safe until a good stopage point comes about and we can then have the discussion.

I think it is a good idea to potentially stop the game to allow discussion by the people. However, some times it may be mute to do so as there is an obvious choice (not that there is one at this time, just a hypothetical).

Later.

[civman2000]

I agree with Sir Ralph. The people must be polled

[jdjdjd]

Possible wording based on what is said so far:

The purpose of this amendment is to provide instructions on what do to in case a Great Leader(GL) should emerge during battle.

1. The GL should immediately(once the game continues) be dispatched to a safe place for protection, preferrably to the city where he will complete his work.

2. It is recommended that as soon as the GL emerges(or as soon as feasible) that the game be stopped to decide the fate of the GL, as well as the destination city where he will meet his fate.

3. The President, Vice-President, SMC and City Planner, should discuss options for the GL. They should then poll the people, and the most popular option shall win. A pre-poll discussion thread can be started at their discretion, and should last no longer than three days.

4. The game will then restart as soon as practicable after the poll is complete.

5.The poll should last no longer than three days and follow the polling standards already listed in the Code of Laws.

Feel free to make suggestions, etc.

[Aggie]

I think we should poll, but as far as stoping the game that should only take place if one of the following occurs,
1) There is a wonder that could be built if we don't build immediately(I suggest we do,as togas very wisely did this time, asceratin the progress of other civs and if they are close we call the chat until a poll)
2) We risk not generating another GL, for example we have 5 elite knights ready to attack or similar( 1/3 chance of gl roughly)
Rest assured that I will contine to try to produce GL but of course all I can do is try top get as many units to elite and get elite victories.
Aggie

[wervdon]

Actually the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that pre-polling when possible is the best answer. If we just plan our turn chats on the assumption we will have a GL to use, then there's no reason to stop wether or not we end up with one.

Since we are still at war, it might be a good idea for a prepoll just in case we get a 3rd one, athough I think the choice is currently obvious given our techs (Army) so perhaps it could wait until there's a possibility that we could buy Invention or Music Theory.

Actually if we pre-polled right now, there would be at least two choices between the army and FP. There might also be some soon to come wonders worth considering. I think most people would vote army though, but I wouldn't be comfortable if we just assumed that without doing the poll.


Maybe the ammendment should just say "In the absense of any existing and recent poll on the use of the great leader, then the game must be stopped to perform such a poll." We'd of course need to define recent, but every 10-20 turns should be plenty during a war to keep us prepared for the event of a GL.

[joncnunn]

Yes, if we are very lucky and get another Great Leader right now, the game should be halted so we can access if there is any possibily of building a wonder with it.

[E_T]

If we stop, how long to we wait and how much is a quarum

If we stop a turnchat to poll in the forums for what we do with a GL, could cause great problems. If, for instance, we start the next turnchat on sat/sun and the first few fights of the day produce a GL, what do we do?. If we start a Poll then in the Forums, how long to we wait and how may votes do we wait for before continuing? This could put a great strain on the Turnchat process.

If we prepoll the possible use of a possible GL over the next 5 turn, then the President & Ministers would have a general consencis on how they should proceed.

Personally, An Admendment for this purpose is not the best thing to have.

E_T