Foreign Ministry Office -- Term 4

[Nimitz]

Attitude
Polite:
Cautious: Rome.
Annoyed: Germany, England, America, France, Greece, Aztecs, Iriquios, Babylon, Russia.
Furious: Persia.

Demands
Give in: Rome.
Refuse: Greece, England, Persia, Germany, France, Aztecs, America, Russia, Babylon, Iriquois.

Right of Passage
Current: none.
Agree/Seek after: none
Agree if money is right: Russia, Iriquios, Aztecs, Babylon.
Do not agree: Greece, England, Rome, France, Germany, America, Persia.

Alliances
Current: none.
Accept: none.
Accept if money/enemy is right: England, Iriquois, Babylon, Aztecs, Russia, France.
Do not accept: Greece, Rome, America, Persia.

Charities
Civs we don't mind giving good deals to in tech or trade
none.

Peace Terms
Persia -- We must have the Pyramids, incense, spices, most (if not all) of their homeland, and all of their technology before peace.

Other Policies
Create embassies in Abananaba Minor.

Do not allow an other nation to capture the territory held by the Americans. That teritory is rightfully ours.

Do not trade world maps. Do not trade teritory maps until Uber Isle is fully settled.

Trade as much and as often as possible.

Do not get involved in foreign wars or treaties that do not offer us substaintial benefits.

Buy technology when possible, but only if the total cost is < 400L

Do not sign new treaties with America as we may invade them before the treaty runs out.

All things left unstated in turnthreads/chats are for Presidential or Public decision. All things specified must be followed unless surprise events have made the orders illogical, harmful, or inappropriate. In that situation the President should end turnthread/chat if any major decision needs to be taken and no representative from the Ministry is present to make the decision. If only a minor decision, the President may use his discretion to change the orders so that they are logical, beneficial, and appropriate.

I think we can down grade greece to some one we can refuse there demands do to changes in status.

[E_T]

DFM for Trade 440 AD Report

Here is the 440 AD Intelligence & Trade Chart:


I found one thing that was not reported in the turnchat, England also started JSB in 430AD at Nottingham. JSB is 600 Sheilds (480 d\other Civ discounted). So JSB is being built at the following:

Rome - Rome - started in 430 AD
Started at Size 10, now size 10; Prod 11-13, 37-44 Turns total at this time.

Greece - Rhodes - started in 430 AD
started at size 2, now size 2; Prod 2-4, 120-240 Turns total at this time.

Germany - Hamburg - started in 420 AD (actually as Copernigus in 380, then switched in 420)
Started at size 6, now size 6; Prod 6-8, 60-80 Turns total at this time.

England - Nottingham - started in 430 AD
Started at size 6, now size 6; Prod 7-9, 54-69 Turns total at this time.

Persia - Arbella --- Will be ours in a few turns, so not of notice.

Our Maximum Production is currently 7, which would take 86 Turns to complete if we started now. Rome looks like the big winner for JSB, unless something upsets their apple cart. We should get Music Theory from the Persians (after buying Education from the Greeks) and should be a consideration if we get anouthe GL.

Persia has re-established their trade with Germany and England for German Iron & English Wines. They might have gotten Music Theory from the English also, as they started JSB right after they had gotten their trade back (the Palace moved). We might still see a few more Immortals before we are through with them.

We can either get the following from Persia:
1) 2 Techs, WM & money
2) 1 Tech, 1 City, WM & money
The two techs are the best option, as we don't have the infrastructure currently to support any serious Technology Research. They do not have the cash flow to support any LPT so we would only get their cash that's on hand. THey might offer us better terms after we take Arbela, but it's doubtful.

[EDIT] Because Germany has been known to have had Astronomy (6 turns), it's very consevable that they will have sold it to Rome, Greece, England, Russia & Persia, as these are the Civ's who are capable of getting this Tech. until we know for certain, we need to watch these Civ's maps, to try forstall them selling any possible contact with the mistary civs before we can try to cash in on it. Aztecs also have the Lighthouse, but they don't seem to be doing any exploring. Germany is completely landlocked. And, of course, Persia's a bit occupied.

That's it for now. If I have further Information, I'll try to post it before then next turnchat.
E_T

[GePap]

Incredible work E_T

Should have my (humble by comparison) report ready by Monday, as I plan to include what happens in tommorrow's (Sun Oct 6) turnchat.

[E_T]

DFM for Trade Report for 490 AD

I had problems with getting the chart to work correctly, but here it is:



We aquired 3 Technologies through negotiations, 2 from Persia as part of our Peace Terms and 1 from England for peace and Spices. The next Technologies will be a lot more expensive.
Germany, Rome & Greece all have Astronomy, whereas Only Rome and Germany have Gunpowder. It is unknown at this time, whether either of them have Saltpeter available.

We can buy Gunpowder for the following:
Germany - 1042 Lytons
Rome - 1033 Lytons

We can buy Astronomy for the following:
Germany - 1170 Lytons
Rome - 1141 Lytons
Greece - 1102 Lytons

We have 2 technologies that some of the other Civs don't have (Education, Invention & Music Theory), but they are very BROKE. We might be better off waiting to sell them.

There was some discussion of buying Gunpowder from Rome and Selling it to Greece for Astronomy, but it would still leave our nation economically crippled, especially when we are ready to enter a Great Age and change to a Republican Government. Also, we'll need the money to Upgrade Units to Musketmen (60 Lytons per Pikeman, 80 per Spearman).

We can try to do a couple of things while we get our city infrastructure built up:

1) Try to get Printing Press Before either Rome or Germany does. We can then trade it for Gunpowder at a significant discount. Then we can hopefully trade it with Greece for Astronomy.

2) Figure the Aztec getting Gunpowder soon, they are Militaristic and have had Invention for a while. We could trading them Education for it. Then we can hopefully trade it with Greece for Astronomy.

3) Rome, Greece & the Aztecs are exploring the seas and might find the other Civs soon. We have no Idea what level of development they are at, but it should be close to where we are. We might get the tech that we want from them.

England might also soon aquire Astronomy from their own research or through a trade. We need to closely watch these four and make efforts to purchase their WM's, at least once every 5 turns. There is a sea channel just East of Warwick that might lead to the lost Civs. Currently, WM are from 1-3 Lytons, but will go up as new territory is discovered.

We have only one Galley remaining and it's stuck at Uber Island. We could at least explore the rest of the surrounding waters off of Uber to see if we find anything of interest while waiting for Astronomy.

The Aztecs have an Army, consiting of 1 Elite Horseman & 2 Veteran Horsemen. It was spotted close to Boston, but the SMC's forces will beat them to the last of the American Spoils. We still need to Sell America a 'Useless Tech' before we Annex the last of their lands. We can also get the Aztecs to Ally with us against America, while paying us too.

We are at Peace with Persia and They are waisting their time building JSB at Sardis. It will not be suprising if the Aztecs or Germans decide to finish them off soon.

As for JSB, I'll post this part of my report sometime tomorrow, as getting the chart up took me a lot longer than I thought. It's safe to say that they are 5 turns further along than last report and that Rome will still get it.

E_T

[I am Ruler]

go for peace whenever we have the chance. and of coures persians will have to send us a chance. then we can extort them for their tech and Lytons

[E_T]

490AD Wonder Race Info

Well, two more contenders have entered the Race for the JSB Wonder. They are Russia at Moscow and Persia at Sardis. Here is a new list to show you where they are at right now. This list doesn't allow for any Waste or Specialist in it's calculations.

Here it is


Rome is still the number one contender. Russia needs Spices, we don't know about Ivory, so they might have some specialist (redusing production) and they are close to one of their other cities and will most likely be sharing production tiles. Persia's an afterthought, but I included it in the list.

[Nimitz]

Attitude
Polite:
Cautious: Rome.
Annoyed: Germany, England, France, Greece, Aztecs, Iriquios, Babylon, Russia.
Furious: America, Persia.

Demands
Give in: Rome.
Refuse: Greece, England, Persia, Germany, France, Aztecs, America, Russia, Babylon, Iriquois.

Right of Passage
Current: none.
Agree/Seek after: none
Agree if money is right: Russia, Iriquios, Aztecs, Babylon.
Do not agree: Greece, England, Rome, France, Germany, America, Persia.

Alliances
Current: Aztecs.
Accept: none.
Accept if money/enemy is right: England, Iriquois, Babylon, Aztecs, Russia, France.
Do not accept: Greece, Rome, America, Persia.

Charities
Civs we don't mind giving good deals to in tech or trade
none.

Peace Terms
America -- We must have all of whats left of them.

Other Policies
Create embassies in Abananaba Minor.

Do not allow an other nation to capture the territory held by the Americans. That teritory is rightfully ours.

Do not trade world maps. Do not trade teritory maps until Uber Isle is fully settled.

Trade as much and as often as possible.

Do not get involved in foreign wars or treaties that do not offer us substaintial benefits.

Buy technology when possible, but only if the total cost is < 400L

Do not sign new treaties with America as we may invade them before the treaty runs out.

All things left unstated in turnthreads/chats are for Presidential or Public decision. All things specified must be followed unless surprise events have made the orders illogical, harmful, or inappropriate. In that situation the President should end turnthread/chat if any major decision needs to be taken and no representative from the Ministry is present to make the decision. If only a minor decision, the President may use his discretion to change the orders so that they are logical, beneficial, and appropriate.

this is a complete update on Foreign Policy

[Nimitz]

Attitude
Polite:
Cautious: Rome.
Annoyed: Germany, England, France, Greece, Aztecs, Iriquios, Babylon, Russia.
Furious: Persia.

Demands
Give in: Rome.
Refuse: Greece, England, Persia, Germany, France, Aztecs, Russia, Babylon, Iriquois.

Right of Passage
Current: none.
Agree/Seek after: none
Agree if money is right: Russia, Iriquios, Aztecs, Babylon.
Do not agree: Greece, England, Rome, France, Germany, Persia.

Alliances
Current: none.
Accept: none.
Accept if money/enemy is right: England, Iriquois, Babylon, Aztecs, Russia, France.
Do not accept: Greece, Rome, Persia.

Charities
Civs we don't mind giving good deals to in tech or trade
none.

Peace Terms
None

Other Policies
Create embassies in Abananaba Minor.

Do not trade our World or Territory Maps until the final settlement sites are secure on Uber Isle.

Trade as much and as often as possible.

Do not get involved in foreign wars or treaties that do not offer us substaintial benefits.

Buy technology when possible, but only if the total cost is < 500L

Try to use culture to take the american lands held by the Aztecs.

All things left unstated in turnthreads/chats are for Presidential or Public decision. All things specified must be followed unless surprise events have made the orders illogical, harmful, or inappropriate. In that situation the President should end turnthread/chat if any major decision needs to be taken and no representative from the Ministry is present to make the decision. If only a minor decision, the President may use his discretion to change the orders so that they are logical, beneficial, and appropriate.

Yet another update.

[Togas]

Policy has been updated on the first page as a result of these posts.

--Togas

[E_T]

DFM for Trade Report for 530 AD

Here is the Report for 530 AD:


We are prepairing for War with France and letting our Trade agreements laps as they come due. We will be changing to Republic soon.

We have a few Technologies that we can Sell, but the Civs that don't have them can't pay for the in anything else but cash on hand and their treasuries are very low. We can hope that THe Aztecs or France Aquire Gunpowder, because we can trade Education to them for it.

Of the 4 Technologies that we can possibly get through research at this stage, only Printing Press is not possed by anyone. We are currently researching it at the minimum rate and need to step up our research and get it before the others, so that we'll have something to trade them for their techs.

We can buy the following technologies for the following (in Lytons):
Gunpowder: Rome - 871; Greece - 841; Germany - 893; England - 841 & Russia - 878.
Astronomy: Rome - 1067; Greece - 1030; Germany - 1094 & England - 1030.
Banking: Rome - 1044; Germany - 1071 & England - 1008.
Buying the Tecnologies is not an option, except with crippling our Economy. 18 Lytons Cash = 1 LPT.

The status on the Wonders being built is Here:

Rome is still in the lead and the other civs will most likely have Econmics before Rome is finished with JSB.

We need to buy WM's from Rome, Greece, England & The Aztecs in 570 AD (should have once per turnchat session) to see where they have explored the Seas in the 5 turns from the last WM buy. Last time was for 14 Lytons total between the 4 Civs. England will most likely be the ones to contact the Lost Civs first, because of the Shallow water passage to the East of Warwick.

We have Trade Renegotiations Due in 560AD with Rome, Greece & Babylon for Dyes. We would not get much of a discount if we tried to couple the Dyes with a tech purchace.

Germany is Furious with us and we took a reputation hit with all of the Civs when we eliminated America. We might want to explore Getting Germany to declare War against us, as while we're in Republic, we'll have 5 turns Increased Happieness, then 5 turns status Quo, the War weariness starts to take it's toll.

THat's it for now, If I have any other information that needs to be addresses, I'll post a Followup.

E_T

[E_T]

DFM for Trade Report: 580AD

This is the Reoprt for 580 AD from the DFM for Trade:



There are a few things that aren't on the chart, because they are very involved.

After doing a lot of investigation I have found out:

Ivory is the same price with either Rome or Greece: 510 Lytons (28 Lpt & 6L). No discount for likeing us better.

Rome will pay us 240 Lytons for Dyes (as part of a deal). Germany will pay us 119L for dyes by itself or 140L as part of a deal.
Greece has Dyes coming up for renegotiation next turn. They should be valueing it for somewhere in between.

Cost for Techs (without dyes):
Rome: Gunpowder - 871; Astronomy - 1068; Banking - 988
Greece: Gunpowder - 841; Astronomy - 1030; Banking - 954
Germany: Gunpowder - 886; Astronomy - 1085; Banking - 1005
England: Gunpowder - 841; Astronomy - 1030; Banking - 954
Russia: Gunpowder - 878.

Cost with Dyes as part of deal:
Rome: Gunpowder - 631; Astronomy - 827; Banking - 748
Germany: Gunpowder - 746; Astronomy - 945; Banking - 865
Greece (conjecture of dye value of 140L): Gunpowder - 701; Astronomy - 890; Banking - 814
Hopefully, Greece will have a higher value for our dyes.

Value of our World Map:
Rome - 34L (As part of a deal)
Greece - 47L (As part of a deal)
Germany - 28L (by itself, no other deal involved); 33L (As part of a deal)
Russia - 43L (As part of a deal)
The WM figures are for what we currently have for a map. Rome will sell their map for 6L, england for 3L; currently.

The DFM for Trade recommedations for the next 5 turns:

580 AD:
Renegotiate dyes with Germany for 6LPT & 11L
France - Buy Worker for 22 Lytons.

590 AD: This string of deals assumes that Russia HAS NOT aquired Banking and/or Astronomy.
Note on WM/TM deals - If a Civ has a low treasury, will not pay LPT & WM for our WM (to within a sufficient value of our WM); we just buy WM and all treasury, selling our TM only (exception: France - NO LPT DEALS).

Phase I: While doing these deals, check tech levels
Aztecs - Sell our WM/TM for their WM & As much as we can get.
NOTE-Check to see if they have aquired Gunpowder, if so ONLY buy WM.
Iroquois - Sell our WM/TM for their WM & As much as we can get.
NOTE-Check to see if they have aquired Gunpowder, if so DO NOT do WM trade yet, go to the next in line.
France - Sell our WM/TM for their WM & As much as we can get.
NOTE-Check to see if they have aquired Gunpowder, if so DO NOT do WM trade yet, go to the next in line.
England - Sell our WM/TM for their WM & As much as we can get.
Babylon - Sell our WM/TM for their WM & As much as we can get.
Persia - Sell our WM/TM for their WM & As much as we can get.

Phase II: at the discression of the FAM (option 1 is recommended)
Rome - either one of two trades:
1) Ivory; WM for Dyes; WM; 13LPT; 9L (or less)
2) Sell our WM/TM for their WM & As much as we can get.

Phase III: check to see how much their WM would be to buy outright. If it is for 1L, do not have as part of the deal because they don't have any new info compaired to our map. If more, add to the deal.
Greece - Banking; ??WM?? for Dyes; WM & hopefully less than 767L (this depends on Dye & WM value).

Phase IV: check to see how much their WM would be to buy outright. If it is for 1L, do not have as part of the deal because they don't have any new info compaired to our map. If more, add to the deal.
Russia - Gunpowder; ??WM?? for Banking; WM and whatever monies to make the deal, either way.

Last Phase:
Germany - Sell our WM/TM for their as much as we can get.

Special note to this string of trades: If France, Iroquois or the Aztecs have Gunpowder, need to explore Altering Phase IV. Buy WM from Aztecs if they are altered.
In 580 AD, France still needs Education & Iroquois need Music Theory.

600-610 AD: No special orders

620 AD: WM Explore Update before end of turnchat cycle.
Buy WM from Rome. Check England, Aztec & Greece for WM's that cost more than 1 Lyton and but it (if more). This gives us the most up to date WM for our information.

Reasoning behind Banking instead of Astronomy. It leads to Democracy w/Printing Press (which we are researching). It's cheaper than Astronomy by about 80 Lytons. It would give us the ability to build Banks (and Wall Street) as soon as the CP is ready to add it to the build queues. It would lead to Economics, which whould allow us to try to build Smiths Trading. We can trade it for Astronomy from one of the Civs that dosen't already have it.

Here is the current Information on the Wonder Race:



Rome is still leading, and the effects of them losing the Dyes for one turn might increase time to completion by one turn, but not really likely because of building in the capitol.

That's it for now, If I have any other information that needs to be addressed, I'll post a Followup.

E_T

[Togas]

Final Update from this term, 640AD

Through the skillful use of our luxuries, World Map, bustling economy and trades we have managed to aquire Gunpowder, Banking, and Astronomy. At present, the only technology we don't know is Chemistry ... possibly something beyond that.

We lead the world in size, population, and culture. We have a large military that will be updated with the knowledge that gunpowder has given us, thanks to the newly found resource of saltpeter that resides in two locations within our Republic.

The biggest challange now facing the Ministry is the search for other civilizations to interact with. Our map was once the most advanced map of the world, but it is now lacking. Many of our neighbors have more detailed maps, possibly showing previously unknown waterways to the west of the Greek isle. We plan to purchase this knowledge at the next chat.

Our current map, despite the recent surveys of the sea below Ubergorsk, has no real value.

Saltpeter will become a valued comodity. We will continue to explore trade options for this resource in coming turns after our extra suply is linked.

We are also drawing close to our 20 peace renegotiation phase. The Ministry will take special care not to renegotiate with nations that are possible military targets. At this time, the only nation that seems to qualify is France.

--Togas