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**Togas** · September 18, 2002, 01:06

Foreign Policy

The following is only general policy, not all situations will follow these policy guidelines.

Other Civ's Attitude towards us
Polite:
Cautious: Rome.
Annoyed: Germany, England, France, Greece, Aztecs, Iriquios, Babylon, Russia.
Furious: Persia.

Demands
Give in: Rome.
Refuse: Greece, England, Persia, Germany, France, Aztecs, America, Russia, Babylon, Iriquois.

Right of Passage
Current: none.
Agree/Seek after: none
Agree if money is right: Russia, Iriquios, Aztecs, Babylon.
Do not agree: Greece, England, Rome, France, Germany, America, Persia.

Alliances
Current: none.
Accept: none.
Accept if money/enemy is right: England, Iriquois, Babylon, Aztecs, Russia, France.
Do not accept: Greece, Rome, America, Persia.

Charities
Civs we don't mind giving good deals to in tech or trade
none.

Peace Terms
none.

Other Policies
Create embassies in Abananaba Minor.

Do not trade world maps. Do not trade teritory maps until Uber Isle is fully settled.

Trade as much and as often as possible.

Do not get involved in foreign wars or treaties that do not offer us substaintial benefits.

Buy technology when possible, but only if the total cost is < 500L

Try to use culture to take the american lands held by the Aztecs.

Do not sign any long term agreements with France, as we may go to war with them in the near future to start our Golden Age.

All things left unstated in turnthreads/chats are for Presidential or Public decision. All things specified must be followed unless surprise events have made the orders illogical, harmful, or inappropriate. In that situation the President should end turnthread/chat if any major decision needs to be taken and no representative from the Ministry is present to make the decision. If only a minor decision, the President may use his discretion to change the orders so that they are logical, beneficial, and appropriate.

Current as of 530 AD

**Togas** · September 18, 2002, 01:06

World Report

Current Wars
none

Agreements
Alliance with Aztecs vs. America (completed with destruction of America)
Numerous trade agreements to sell our luxuries
We pay Rome 10gpt for Ivory

Governments
We are a Monarchy and on the brink of Republic.

Current as of 530 AD

**BigFurryMonster** · September 18, 2002, 03:13

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**adaMada** · September 18, 2002, 06:44

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**GePap** · September 19, 2002, 16:48

Foreign civs report

Report for 380 ad: Civs Hisotgraph order:

#1 Greece:
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Athens [pop.9]. The Republic includes 18 cities, with total population points equal 80.
Culture and Tech: Greece owns The Hanging Gardens and The Great Wall, both in Athens. They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering and Education. They impressed with our culture.
Relations: They are annoyed with us. We are at peace, the treaty up for new discussions in 8 turns.
Economy: they have 38 Lytons in the treasury. They have wine and ivory, may be exporting ivory to Germany.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the Horseman, but they have the ability to make pikemen and knights, since they have the knowledge and resources. Our Army is Average in comparison.

#3 Rome:
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Rome [pop.9]. The Republic includes 15 cities, with total population points equal 70.
Culture and Tech: They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering, Invention and Education. They are admirers of our culture. They are building Leo's Workshop in Rome.
Relations: They are cautious with us. We are at peace, the treaty up for new discussions in 8 turns.
Economy: they have 39 Lytons in the treasury. They have wine, ivory, spices, and incense. We trade Ivory for Dyes. They recieve 16 Lytons per turn from us.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the Legionary, but they have the ability to make pikemen and knights, since they have the knowledge and resources. Our Military is weak in comparison to theirs.

#4 England:
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Lodon [pop.10]. The Republic includes 13 cities, with total population points equal 61.
Culture and Tech: They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering, Invention and Education. They impressed with our culture. They are building Leo's Workshop in Nottingham
Relations: They are annoyed with us. We are at peace, the treaty up for new discussions in 8 turns.
Economy: they have 68 Lytons in the treasury. They have wine and ivory, may be exporting wine to Russia for Dyes.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the swordman, but they have the ability to make pikemen and knights, since they have the knowledge and resources. Our Army is Average in comparison.

#5 Germany:
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Berlin [pop.10]. The Republic includes 11 cities, with total population points equal 65.
Culture and Tech: They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering, Education, Invention and Astronomy. They impressed with our culture. The are building Leo's Workshop in Berlin, Copernicus' Observatory in Hamburg
Relations: They are annoyed with us. We are at peace, the treaty up for new discussions in 9 turns.
Economy: they have 37 Lytons in the treasury. They have wine. They trade Dyes from us, for 13Lpt.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the Longbowman, but they have the ability to make pikemen and knights, since they have the knowledge and resources. Our Army is Average in comparison.

#6 Aztecs
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Tenochtitlan [pop.6]. The Republic includes 15 cities, with total population points equal 56.
Culture and Tech: The aztecs own the Great Lighthouse in Tenoichtitlan. They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering. They admire our culture.
Relations: They are annoyed with us. We are at peace, the treaty up for new discussions in 8 turns.
Economy: They have 25 lytons in their treasury. They have wine, spices, and ivory but have no tarde routes.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the Knight. Our Army is Average in comparison.

#7:Persia
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Tarsus {pop. 5]. The Republic includes 9 cities, with total population points equal 28.
Culture and Tech: They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering and Education. They are impressed with our culture.
Relations: They are at war with us. They will be willing to give us Education OR Sardis OR Samaria for peace, and for peace and 10 Lytons education.
Economy: they have 0 Lytons in the treasury. They have spices and Incense, but not trade routes.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the Immortal. Our army is strong in comparison.

#8 Russia:
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Moscow [pop.9]. The Republic includes 12 cities, with total population points equal 59.
Culture and Tech: Russia owns the Great Library in Moscow. They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering, Invention and Education. They impressed with our culture. The are building Leonardo's Workshop in Moscow.
Relations: They are annoyed with us. We are at peace, the treaty up for new discussions in 8 turns.
Economy: they have 9 Lytons in the treasury. They have dyes and incense, may be exporting dyes to England.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the Horseman, but they have the ability to make pikemen and knights, since they have the knowledge and resources. Our Army is strong in comparison.

#9 Iriquois
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Salamanca [pop.5]. The Republic includes 10 cities, with total population points equal 29.
Culture and Tech:The Iriquois own the Colossus in Salamanca. They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering. They impressed with our culture.
Relations: They are annoyed with us. We are at peace, the treaty up for new discussions in 8 turns.
Economy: they have 8 Lytons in the treasury. They have wine and spices but no trade routes.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the archer. The can make Mounted Warriors in one city, at least but lack connected iron. Our Army is strong in comparison.

#10 France:
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Avignon {op. 5]. The Republic includes 9 cities, with total population points equal 28.
Culture and Tech: . They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering . They are in awe of our culture
Relations: They are annoyed with us. We are at peace, the treaty up for new discussions in 8 turns.
Economy: they have 85 Lytons in the treasury. They trade wine and dyes from us.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the swordman, and they lack the horses to make knights. Our amy is strong in comparison.

#11 Babylon:
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Babylon [pop.7]. The Republic includes 5 cities, with total population points equal 23.
Culture and Tech: Babylon Owns the Oracle in Babylon. They are ahead of us in techs, with knowledge of Engineering. They impressed with our culture.
Relations: They are annoyed with us. We are at peace, the treaty up for new discussions in 8 turns.
Economy: they have 0 lytons in the treasury. They have Incense. They get dyes from us.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the Bowmen, They can make horsemen. Our army is strong compared to thiers.

[COLOR= lightblue] #12 America: [/COLOR]
Basics: A Republic, with its capitol in Boston [pop.5]. The Republic includes 4 cities, with total population points equal 15.
Culture and Tech: The American are technologically backwards, they lack knwoledge of Chivalry and Theology. They are in awe of our culture.
Relations: They are annoyed with us. We are at peace indefinitelly.
Economy: they have 19 Lytons in the treasury. They have incense but no trade routes.
Military and potential:Their best unit we know of is the spearman. they lack any reoursces- best unit possible is archer.

**E_T** · September 22, 2002, 00:35

Deputy FM for Trade Preliminary Report for 310AD

This was originally a Private Report to Togas, and he wanted me to post it here. The verbage is directed to him.

If we are willing to negotiate Peace with Persia, we can currently get Theology, Engineering, WM & 9 Lytons (47 in tres). As we don't want to detour from our current course of conquest of the Persian Homeland, this isn't currently an option.

The SMC stated that the war will be essentially over within 10 turns. We also will be done researching Theology in 12 turns. I think that both the end of the war & Theology will be at about the same time.

I recommend that we wait to descuss Peace with Persia until after we have gotten Theology. The SMC posted that his forces have taken a bit more loses than he would like and needs a bit to rebuild for the final push. This could work to our advantage for getting Engineering and either Education or Invention, which the Persians would most likely have. We will have gotten 3 techs at about the same time this way.

There is also a French Settler in our Territory, do we want to Eject them?

That's it for now. A more detailed report to follow in a day.

E_T

**E_T** · September 23, 2002, 20:46

Detailed DFM for Trade Report for 310AD part 1 of 4

This was originally a Private Report to Togas, and he wanted me to post it here. The verbage is directed to him.

This is the Report for 310AD from the DFM for Trade.
We have 109 Lytons in our Treasury, with an Income of 59LPT. We are currently Researching Theology and will be finished in 12 Turns.

Rome - Current Trades are: 1) 5 turns Ivory for Dyes & 5LPT; 2) 13 turns taking LPT from us; 15 turns Peace Treaty.
They have 13 Lytons in their Treasury and the Techs: Engineering & Theology.
We need to Renegotiate the Dye for Ivory deal in 360AD. We should be able to get a better deal, I hope.

Greece - Current trades are : 1) 5 turns taking Dye from us; 2) 15 turns Peace Treaty. They need Iron which we don't have a surplus to sell them.
They have 28 Lytons in their Treasury and the Techs: Engineering & Theology.
We need to Renegotiate the Dye deal in 360AD. We should be able to get a better deal, I hope.

America - No current trade at this time and no trade route. They need the Resourses: Horse & Iron. They also need the Luxuries: Wine & Dye.
They have 6 Lytons in their Treasury and need Chivalry.
They are at War with the Aztecs and will most likely not survive.
I recommend that we hold off on selling them Chivalry, in case they somehow get Theology before us.

Aztec - Current trades with them is 15 turns Peace Treaty. We don't have a trade route with them. They need Iron which we don't have a surplus to sell them. They have the Luxury of Spice, but no surplus currently. They also need the Luxury of Dye.
They have 37 Lytons in their Treasury and the Techs: Engineering & Theology.
No Recommendation at this time with them. We need to watch them as they have the Lighthouse.

Iroquois - Current trades with them is 15 turns Peace Treaty. We don't have a trade route with them. They need the Resourses: Horse & Iron. They have the Luxury of Spice, but no surplus currently. They also need the Luxuries: Wine & Dye.
They have 37 Lytons in their Treasury and even in technology.
No Recommendation at this time with them.

France - Current Trades are: 1) 1 turn taking Dye from us; 2) 5 turns taking Horse from us; 3) 13 turns taking Wine from us; 4) 15 turns Peace Treaty.
They have 24 Lytons in their Treasury and need Chivalry.
We need to Renegotiate the Dye deal in 320AD (next turn). We need to Renegotiate the Horse deal in 360AD. We should be able to get a better deal with both, I hope.
I recommend that we hold off on selling them Chivalry, in case they get Theology before us.

Germany - Current Trades are: 1) 6 turns taking Dye from us; 2) 16 turns Peace Treaty and giving 7LPT to us. They are most likely selling their surplus Iron to Persia for Luxuries.
They have 63 Lytons in their Treasury and the Techs: Engineering & Theology.
We need to Renegotiate the Dye deal in 370AD.

England - Current trades with them is 15 turns Peace Treaty.
They have 33 Lytons in their Treasury and the Techs: Engineering & Theology.
No Recommendation at this time with them.

Russia - Current trades with them is 15 turns Peace Treaty & giving us 7LPT. They need Iron which we don't have a surplus to sell them.
They have 46 Lytons in their Treasury and the Techs: Engineering & Theology.
No Recommendation at this time with them.

Babylon - Current trades with them is 15 turns Peace Treaty. We don't have a trade route with them. They need Iron which we don't have a surplus to sell them. They have the Luxury of Incense, but no surplus currently. They also need the Luxuries: Wine & Dye.
They have 14 Lytons in their Treasury and need Chivalry.
I recommend that we hold off on selling them Chivalry, in case they get Theology before us.

The rest to follow
E_T

**E_T** · September 23, 2002, 20:52

Detailed CFM for Trade Report for 310 AD part 2 of 4

This was originally a Private Report to Togas, and he wanted me to post it here. The verbage is directed to him

Persia - We are currently at War with them. We don't have a trade route with them because of the war. They need the Resource of Horse. They have the Luxuries of Incense & Spice, but no surplus currently. They also need the Luxury of Dye.
They have 47 Lytons in their Treasury and the Techs: Engineering & Theology.
We can currently negotiate Peace with Persia for the following:
Engineering, Theology; WM & 9 Lytons from them.
They are most likely selling their surplus luxuies for Iron, Luxuries & Lytons to England & Germany.
My full recommendation for Persia will follow in my next report.

Attutudes towards us:
Furious - France, Germany & Persia.
Annoyed - Rome, America, Aztec, Iroquios, England, Russia & Babylon.
Cautious - Greece.
Polite - None.

If we try to buy Theology, how much would it be right now:
Rome - 596L; Greece - 556L; Aztec - 586L; Germany - 596L; England - 561L; Russia - 581L.
We can also do a combination of LPT & Lyton, but each LPT is equivalant to 18 Lytons.

My further recommendations will be in my next report to you.

E_T

**E_T** · September 23, 2002, 20:58

Detailed CFM for Trade Report for 310 AD part 3 of 4

This was originally a Private Report to Togas, and he wanted me to post it here. The verbage is directed to him

This is the part 3 for 4 of the Final Report for 310 AD (darn PM size Limits).

There is some sentiment for Peace with Persia at this time. This is because of several factors:
1) Exhausted Troops;
2) Wanting Theology now for building Sistine Chapel with our GL;
3) the need to work on Infrustructure within our own Empire.
I think that we can get what we want and still continue the war.

Current Persian Trade is currently through Arbela via England. They are most likely tradeing their Incense and/or Spices to England for their surplus Wine. The Persians are also most likely trading with their Incense and/or Spices to Germany for their Iron. If we either take Arbela or cut the road between Arabela & Persepolis, it will do several things:
1) Reduce by two the number of Luxuries flowing into Persia. They will either have a turn of riots until they reassign population to entertainers (reducing overall production) or immediately reduce overall production in their cities. Even if they get a GA, their production will still be greatly hampered.
2) Stop the flow of Iron to Persia. They will not be able to build/upgrade anymore Immortals. So any that are present will be the only ones that we encounter, for now.
3) The additional effect of throwing a Banana into Both the German & English populations as they won't have the additional Luxuries from Persia to help them keep their people happy.

If the SMC needs a few turns to regroup his forces before trying to take anymore cities, he can quickly cut the road (in the forest just SE of the Mountian in Pasargadae's border) while he does that. My opinion, cutting the road should be the overriding priority! Even if we decide to get Peace now with Persia, we should cut the road just before we do (at just inside Arbela's boarder), it will still have the effects stated above. If we take Arbela, we can immediately sell the Spices (as soon as the road is built to our new Provencies) for cash, but that will be a few turns away.

Antioch - Has Iron close but they haven't connected to it and even if they send a worker to create a colony, they still won't be able to connect, because they have no direct route to it now. We'll need the extra Iron to see for Cash/Techs and possibly Saltpeter when we get Gunpowder. Priority is low for now, because we can't take immediate use of the Iron.

Bacta - Has Incense, but we have to go through Persepolis first. We can sell as soon as we take it.

Persepolis - What can we say about the Great Pyramids, but it will cause the Persians to move the capital, most likely to Tarsus as that's the bigest in the their current empire.

My overall Recommendation: continue the war but cut the Persian trade ASAP. We can currently limit ourselves to the above cities and still get what we want. If we decide to continue the War to it's conclusion, we should have Theology either on our own or through a tech trade with one of the other civs. That way, we can get Engineering and Possibly Education (if the Persians have it).

The rest will conclude next post,
E_T

**E_T** · September 23, 2002, 21:04

Detailed CFM for Trade Report for 310 AD part 4 of 4

This was originally a Private Report to Togas, and he wanted me to post it here. The verbage is directed to him

This is the last, I promise

Civs building Sistine Chapel (600 sheilds before discount) that we know of:
Rome @ Rome, Size 8 city, likely Maximim Production of 11 Sheilds per turn (SPT);
Greece @ Sparta, Size 6 city, likely Max. Prod. of 7 SPT;
Germans @ Berlin; Size 10 city, likely Max. Prod. of 11-14 SPT (would be greatly impacted by cut in Persian trade);
English @ Nottingham Size 6 city, likely Max. Prod. of 9 SPT (would be greatly impacted by cut in Persian trade);
Russia @ Moscow, Size 8, Likely Max. Prod. of 11 SPT.

Do we have any Idea when they started building and what's the % discount that they get on Items at Monarch? This will give us the advantage of predicting if they will get it within the next 12 turns. We can always take it, too. We don't currently have any Cathedrals to take advantage of it anyways and not for quite a while. Copernicus's Observatory would be better in the tech race, but that's still aways away.

We need the President to have the Wonder Initiation Pop-up setting to be set in the game preferences, so that we're aware of these things. It's currently not on.

THe Aztecs have the Lighthouse, they need to be watched very carfully during turnchat, as they might contact the other civs soon. We need to see what we can have for contact trade if and when we need to buy it.

I think that's it, unless you want to eject the French settler that's within our borders.

E_T

**Togas** · September 26, 2002, 18:37

Update from 380 AD

Our armies continue to have success in the Persian campaign, but we are now taking losses due to a recently discovered pact the Persian made with the Germans to provide them with iron. We cut the trade route between these two nations, but several pikemen and immortals were created which our army now has to account for. It should be noted that, in the process, we also cut a trade route for trade between Persia and England.

We won a major battle, taking the capital of Persia and their Pyramids.

Persia's peace offers have improved, but they still will not pay "everything" they have for peace. We will check in coming turns, but we have no plans to make peace with Persia until their "homeland" has been entirely captured.

The Iriquois beat us to Theology. Babylon also beat us to it, and they were the ones who we eventually bought the knowledge from for a discount after we taught them Chivalry. The Babylonians have opened a trade route with us, and we decided to exchange dyes with them, as they had a better offer than the Greeks.

The Greeks want our dyes, and are willing to sell us Engineering at an alarmingly good discount.

There are other nations who will soon establish trade routes with us. It is in our best interest to link as many dyes as possible, so that we may provide them to the world.

We have taken the Iriquois off our Charity List as they have shown that they no longer need our help.

Rome started building Leonardo's Workshop before we built the Sistine Chappel. Other nations have followed now that the Sistine Chappel has been finished.

Settlers continue to scuffle about looking for possible settlement sites. But there is little other world news. The Aztecs wars continue.

--Togas

(edit to reflect new Greek trade opportunity)

**GePap** · September 27, 2002, 14:23

General Bump, for the public: check out all the new and updated information, like Togas latest report, and th fully updated freign civs. report

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**Arnelos** · September 27, 2002, 22:36

VERY nice... I like it

**Togas** · October 2, 2002, 22:02

Foreign Affairs Report, 440 BC

We are nearing the close of the Persian campaign and the aquisition of new knowledge and luxuries. We have already begun to trade our newly found incense to the Germans. The Romans also are willing to pay 6gpt, 60g, and WM (as of 440ad) for the other.

We will learn Education and Invention from our Persian nemesis upon the close of the war, but those techs are rapidly becoming outdated. Even now the Romans, Greeks, Germans, English, and even the Persians are trying to build JS Bach's Cathedral.

We have no idea what techs beyond Education the Persians have, all we know is that they posess Music Theory. The Ministry is currently working out options for us to aquire Education, which could lead us to learn Banking, Astronomy, or the dead-end tech of Music Theory (which would be a dissapointment, to say the least).

Currently the Greeks will sell us Education for incense, 102g and 20gpt.

The Ministry urges the City Planner to rush build temples in either Bacteria or Susa so that we can culturally link the incense between the cities. Alternatively, we could build a temporary colony to make this luxury available for sale.

One more event that deserves considerable discussion: The Aztec nation has captured Washington. Chicago, Boston, and New York are not far behind.

Every turn we delay may be another lost city. We need to immediately address this issue and send troops into the Americas to seize what remains, and then culturally attempt to capture the rest later.

The Aztecs are willing to let us share in the spoils. In fact, they will pay us 23g and their WM if we join them against America.

The Ministry urges the nation to quickly decide this issue. We authorize a declaration of war against America, and we recommend an alliance with the Aztecs as a part of that war.

--Togas

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