Machiavelli Institute: Trade Cherbourg away? [Unofficial]

[roadcage]

Cherborg will never produce a setteler except as possibly a starvation enduced city release. And that would take in excess of 30 turns. Simply put, there are no 2 food squares in the influence level 1 zone. There is a wheat on plains in the influence level 2 zone, but that would require some culture building which is not warranted.

Currently, Cherborg is 1 turn away from size 2 and 2 turns away from the spearman. There is no hope of getting a lux in so most likely it will go unhappy.

I suggest that IMMEDIATELY for 1 turn make the pop a taxman. After that turn, the city will be 1 turn away from both size 2 and the spearman. Put the pop back to plains for next turn and the growth happens. With 2 pop, have both work plains and produce a worker in ten turns. Worker completes road to nw and maybe we can connect.

If we don't do this I fear the city will go into disorder, and we will have to make a specialist of some type and cause starvation to resolve the disorder.

Plan A net loss 1 food

Plan B net loss 20 food

On second thought, give the puppy away!

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

REASONS I PREFER GIVING IT TO GERMANY:

1) It is so far away from their capital it will give them no benefit.
2) Their furious with us and anytime you give the AI a city it is a huge positive on their attitude toward you, thus making it less likely for Germany to involve themselves against us while we annex Persia.
3)I'd rather see Germany at war with the Romans than Greece. Any Roman conquest of Germany would most likely be Hamburg and its so far away it wouldn't do the Romans much good so we should be able to take it easily in the future.
4)A German war would suck Roman troops out of their homeland giving the little guys a chance to revolt (Russia, Iroquois, and Babylon).
5)Its close enough to Greece that they might get some use out of it if we gave it to them and it really gives us no attitude benefit as they seem to like us already.

[BigFurryMonster]

Give Cherbourg to Babylon - this Civ will invest most in Culture, causing its borders to expand the fastest. This, in turn, will obstruct the Romans and Russians.

But only if you feel we can't keep it. It's generating gold right now (3 pt: 1 from commerce, 2 from increased support) and may have a taxman in the future, generating another gold/pt.

[GePap]

I like the notion of giving it to some civ that is far away, like the germans, simply to create problems, and imporve relations (since you can only give cities away most of the time).

I had another idea: would it be possible to offer Cherbourg to the Persians as part of a peace deal in which we get several techs also? In short, trading Cherbourg for Theology and whatnot in a peace treaty with Xerxes? (just a flight of fancy)

[Shiber]

Sorry, that's impossible. You'll notice that if you offer a deal where there's a city on one side of the bargain and any commodities (gold, tech etc') on the other side the AI will not accept it. In other words you can't pay for something other than a peace treaty with cities no matter what kind of deal you're trying to work out.

[Aro]

Cherbourg:

[adaMada]

Wow Aro. That map's scary .

-- adaMada

[Shiber]

I didn't know Rome fought someone in the ancient age. They must have, otherwise they couldn't have had an elite warrior.
I only noticed that the warrior is elite now. This is rather interesting...
Does anybody know when Rome fought another civ and which civ this was?

[Aro]

Originally posted by adaMada
Wow Aro. That map's scary .

-- adaMada

Yep. Everybody is there... except for us. There's a party or something happens in Cherbourg... and we weren't invited!

[Aro]

Originally posted by Shiber
I didn't know Rome fought someone in the ancient age. They must have, otherwise they couldn't have had an elite warrior.
I only noticed that the warrior is elite now. This is rather interesting...
Does anybody know when Rome fought another civ and which civ this was?

Barbarians, maybe? I can't see any city taken by the Romans, or the inverse.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Shiber
I didn't know Rome fought someone in the ancient age. They must have, otherwise they couldn't have had an elite warrior.
I only noticed that the warrior is elite now. This is rather interesting...
Does anybody know when Rome fought another civ and which civ this was?

Could be old, against the barbarians (the elite level).
What is new is Krasnoiark. The russians seems to be more active these days.
I would not favor a war between Rome and Germany : they are too far from each other, and either we would be the battlefield with the risk of being drawn in the war, or nothing would happens, as in the Helleno-British war. War wearyness would also play a major role, considering that the Germans have been at war for a long time already.
But if the Russians are building a horse army, why not them. Another solution is to consolidate the French.

[adaMada]

If we had a war between Russia/Rome, then we'd risk Rome kicking Russia's butt, and becoming a super power. I'd rather set Rome up against someone like Greece, and then let Greece/Rome buy allies, which will either A) eventually wipe out one civilization, but split it between three or so others so it's not so unbalanced, or B) just impede all the nations for a bit, but not actually have any dramatic changes.

-- adaMada

[DAVOUT]

We must only be afraid of the first great civ which will have knights. Any bet ?

[Shiber]

Looking at the results so far, I think we should conduct a second poll and pit giving Cherbourg to Germany against not giving it away at all.

[Robber Baron]

ada: :b :b Bold strategy! Worthy of Mac-Daddy-velli himself!
GhengisFarb makes a good case for Germany.
A question to consider, though, is whether Germany would be able to give Rome much of a fight. I doubt it. Legionaires are formidable opponents, even in the early Middle Ages.
I would favor the Greeks. Rome would really chew itself up, attacking hoplites, and a war could seriously drain these two powers. In fact, if we timed things right, we could set up a major move against Greece just as a Greco-Roman war was winding down -- if we had knights by that point.
In any event, I'd lean towards gifting this to the Greeks. I think they'd fight harder to hold onto it, depleting both rivals in the process.