The No Party party

[notyoueither]

If you agree with this, sign on.

I am a thinking being and have the power of the vote for myself for every law, regulation and election. I do not need other people to represent me.

I do not need other people to tell me who to vote for or what to support.

I prefer a party that allows me to do whatever I feel like doing that minute. Let's party!

Feel free to add further doctines to our cause, or let this thread sleep with the fishes.

[theViking]

I don't want to be any part of this...

[kring]

Sounds interesting. I am personally tired of the bipartisan politics and finger pointing that was going on.

[DAVOUT]

Political parties are created when several citizens share a common ideological attitude ; in the demo game we have started parties on the argument of strategies (builders versus warmongers) ; the game has demonstrated that this point is not ideological (it is purely practical in view of optimising the result), and therefore cannot be the basis of political parties.
So, we should search the ideological attitudes that we adopt toward the demo game if we want to incorporate in it some flavour of politics. These attitudes appears in the arguments used in the discussions. For instance, the following arguments could be in one or several political programs:

- it is just a game : The pro IIJG argument feels that it is harmless to do ANYTHING just because it is not real. The anti IIJG feels exactly the contrary. He cannot be rationally convince that the other side is right. This is political.
- Real Life : Should we try to replicate RL in the game or not? Both attitude have their own logic and interest, but are clearly in opposition. This is political.
- It will slow the game : in a demo game, we could expect that the priority is given to the democracy aspects, since the Civ 3 game is only the pretext of the demo game ; but we observe that anytime the demo mechanics could postpone the playing of some turns by a few days, the IWSTG argument justify any disrespect of the law. This is also a political choice.

You see that I think that there is room for politics in our game, but like you I am not interested at all in being told how I must vote.

[adaMada]

I'm an Independent, and plan on remaning that way (which means I agree with your party in spirit, but won't join and loose my valued Independent Status, at least for now... I could see myself joining later.). I wasn't around for lots of the party politics, but whenever they popped up the game seemed to be a lot less fun. It was always the same people opposing the same other people with the same points that never got through to the other side... Seemed to take the fun out of some of the discussions .

-- adaMada

[jdd2007]

this has to be the eighth try for an independents party...

[UnOrthOdOx]

NYE,

I agree with alot of what you say. It was my sincere hope that the parties would simply drift away and die. In fact, Timeline once stated that if the UFC disbanded, the DIA would as well. His successor's do not feel the same way, however, and insist on organizing.

They have repeatedly ignored my request that they leave out the parties and instead form something akin to the War Academy to promote 'builder' strategies. Such an organization could only hel their cause better than a party in the long run, but they do not see it that way.

I do not like a 2 party system any more than you guys, but I beleive a one party system would only alienate more pople from the game should they disagree with that party.

[adaMada]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
I do not like a 2 party system any more than you guys, but I beleive a one party system would only alienate more pople from the game should they disagree with that party.

I doubt we'll ever get a one party system... I mean, the DIA starts to regroup, and then the hawks suddenly do too. I think that’s a pattern we may see often .

I agree with you, however, in that a Builders Guild would get a lot more done than the DIA does right now. The Hawks could probably form another Guild that specifically addresses the issue of declaring war (not just fighting it as the War Academy already does). The main reason to separate that from the War Academy is because I consider the War Academy to be a respected and highly non-partisan organization, and I think it'd be a shame to loose that.

-- adaMada

[Donal Graeme]

Unfortunately, it is not likely that major parties will disappear, like they did for the CFC demo game, as there will always be those who believe in different courses of action, and will organize to support them. In fact, is suspect that more parties may emerge later in the game, when it becomes necessary to chose which victory type we will seek.

[DAVOUT]

Major parties ? From which point of view ? Not the number of members, not the events they organize, not the influence they have. The way the game is played in a technical manner, using datas, hypothesis, analysis, brainstorming, tools purposely conceived and made (maps, stats), drive the parties in a dead end. They have no ground to build on. It is the reason why I suggested that they find a new approach based on a new ideology.

[Panag]

hi ,

, the no party party , that sound like a party , ....

a party to party , ....

okay , you touched a good string there NYE , a party should not tell who or what to vote for , every one has the right to vote the way he or she wants , ....

and any oppressed people out there , no need to worry , just read the sig , ....

have a nice day

[Ninot]

I didn't say no to Skywalkers independant party because it was Skywalker...

i do not join this party, and keep my status as independant.

[notyoueither]

But that's the great thing Ninot. By supporting this party, you are in No Party. I don't even think this party, which is No Party, should have any members. It definitely should never have a slate of candidates. We should drink beer.

[Donegeal]

Nice new avatar Ninot!

[caesarqbear]

The problem with only an Academy or Guild is that you run the risk of nobody listening to you but yourselves. The idea of a party is to support and clarify a point of view, not to monopolize a discussion. The fact that the DIA has stirred so much talk by its revival means that it's doing its job. There are some very well spoken and well heard citizens who support further war and a number of them currently hold positions of decision making. The DIA is not seeking to have them all silenced but to simply be heard as well, on an equal basis. Just because party politics in RL and in the past may suck, doesn't mean it has to.