Connect to Germany?

[WhiteBandit]

Now that we've acheived peace with Germany, should we connect to them by way of road? I recall seeing a post that they don't really have much that we would need.

I've attached a map to show 2 proposed routes. Route 2 looks like it would be better since it is only 3 tiles to connect to Hamburg.

In anycase, I open this up for debate. Should I send some workers to connect Germany to us or shall I leave them alone?

[Shiber]

I'd say not yet. At this point of the game they probably won't even agree to a gpt deal for our dyes because they already have one lux (wines). However they would have paid lots of money for iron but they already have one source connected. Since they can't offer anything to us either, I'd say we put this plan back in the drawer for now.
Nice graphics though!

[trickey]

I think we should connect via route 1. The less mountains we have to road, the better. Eventually, we are going to connect, so why not do it now.



But i must say, our internal road system is much more important, and must be perfected first.

[civman2000]

TIme to road mountains with 1 worker: 5 turns
TIme to road hills or forest: 3 turns

ROute 1: 14 turns
Route 2: 15 turns

Very close, but it looks like Route 1 is slightly faster.

[BigFurryMonster]

Use route 1, with 1 tile different: use the plains near Hamburg instead of the hills.

Also, we'd need a RoP to send a worker across the border without troubles.

[Robber Baron]

Internal infrastructure is a far greater priority, IMO.
Moreover, since we can expect a future war with Germany, it seems to me we want to keep the border unroaded. Otherwise, if we lose any of our border city, Germany will have a pre-built highway for its soldiers.
The Germans backed off this time, because they were extended on multiple fronts. They will be back. As we grow bigger, more powerful, and richer, they will grow increasingly hostile and eventually aggressive -- at least, that's been my experience in games against this AI civ. We should prepare strong border defenses. Any efforts to cultivate substantial long-term economic relations with Bismark would be pointless.

[GhengisFarb™]

I'm lazy let's build a road on ONE tile, the mountain immediately north of Napoleton. When Germany connects that Iron {poof} trade with Germany.

[Donegeal]

IF (and thats a big if) we connect to them, I would say route #2 only road the bonus grassland w of Nepoleton then through the mountians.

Otherwise I'd have to agree that we need to work on our roads more then connecting.

[GhengisFarb™]

My "Lazy Road" proposal:

[jdd2007]

i like GFs plan for two reasons
1) duh, its really easy
2) in a war, we could easily take their iron source.

[adaMada]

I'm for connecting to Germany in general... right now, our lack of road connections and Embassies are hurting our Diplomatic options... We're working on founding an Embassy every few turns, but we could also really use road connections. I perdict that sooner or later, trading Luxuries and Resources will be a big market for us, especially if we continue to 'aquire' others with nice land .

-- adaMada

[Panag]

hi ,

yep , lets go for it , ...

good for trade , and good to move our troops in fast , ....

to bad we dont have that iron , ..... (yet) , ....

have a nice day

[caesarqbear]

I am against a road from napolyton unless it's cultural boarders have expanded into Germany. Any road from there will allow Germans to be immediately entrenched on mountains for a sneak attack.

here's the modified routes...

[wervdon]

Heh, if we dont have some specific trade we want out of them, then why bother? So they can demand our resources in tribute :P

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by caesarqbear
I am against a road from napolyton unless it's cultural boarders have expanded into Germany. Any road from there will allow Germans to be immediately entrenched on mountains for a sneak attack.

here's the modified routes...

But the one tile road won't make any difference. They'll still be able to do that with the road they build on the iron and they can't use our road on a mountain tile unless we give them a ROP.

And yes we specifically want to trade them Dye.