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    The Compromise of 210 BC

    Right now the vote is 16 for Lain and 10 for Eiri. Dora and the government techs have three votes each.

    This is too close. Too many important people support both plans for them to be tossed aside. A compromise must be struck. We have until Wednesday 01:00 AM eastern time. That is the last time I will be able to be online before the next set of turns. This is urgent. All the input you can provide would be greatly appreciate. This will require the help of every prominent member of the forum. This is the most important decision in the game in weeks.

    I have thought long and hard about this, after posting the original Area 25 thread. What I have to do is make the most people content. If I go ahead with Lain and later onto Dora, too many people will be upset and left out. They will be unhappy while others are happy. This could lead to a revolt. If we switch it Eiri, I believe enough people can be content if there is a compromise. I just don’t see us being rich enough to buy peace techs if we just focus on military ones.

    Here is the plan:

    Provision 1: Switch to Protocol Eiri. This means researching Theology and Education. There is little point in researching Theology without next going after Education so there should be no going back after Theology is chosen.

    Provision 2: Buy Chivalry as soon as possible. Once another civilization has Chivalry, we will do whatever possible to get that technology as quickly as we can, especially if it looks like we are in danger. I want assurance from other ministers that money will be set-aside for this.

    Provision 3: Go to war with America if it can be worked out. If it assured that we could win, we must go through with this. First, America has a lot of Saltpeter friendly land. Secondly, annexing America would leave us with enough room to expand. We will have all the cities we need for a while. I would like it is people like Uber and Aggie come up with a good plan for this.

    Provision 4: Buy Gunpowder as quickly as possible. Engineering and Invention aren’t a must. Gunpowder is though. Musketmen can be used very effectively against Knights. With Saltpeter, we should be able to hold off any attack. I would like money set aside for this when the time is right two. We should be able to trade Eiri techs for these Dora techs. We may even be in a position to start research on Gunpowder after we get Education.

    Provision 5: Keep a large defensive force. This includes a counterstrike force. I would like assurance that this will be built. If we don’t have knights for a while, some way to divert war and protect ourselves is needed.

    That is what I have so far. I would like the ministers to agree on it. Don’t look out for your own interests. Look out for what is good for the civilization as a whole. I believe this plan is the best plan for the majority. There could be some more additions that would make it even better though.
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    I am fully in support of this plan.

    Togas makes the actual decisions in the Foreign Ministry (obviously), but I will happily recommend to him that we make a priority of obtaining Chilvary and Gunpowder at the earliest opportunity. That makes the most sense to me -- those are the only two techs that I think we really can't do without for now, and buying them will probably get them faster than researching them ourselves.

    Good compromise, Apocalypse .

    -- adaMada

    Edit: Changed to clarify what I meant
    Last edited by adaMada; September 2, 2002, 01:18.
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    • #3

      This seems to best way to get ahead, remember that the sooner we get Education, the sooner the Russians lose the use of the Great Library.
      Plus Banking would get money to help acquire Dora techs, and would be a key step to Democracy.
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      • #4
        BTW, this is a manual type poll. There is no time for prepoll discussion as this has to get done by the end of Tuesday. I will go by the most recent views on the compromise. Hopefully the compromise won't have to be changed much, if at all. So post your views of the subject, no matter how brief.
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        • #5
          I have paid zero attention to the Area 25 threads.

          My $0.02 would be to point out that researching anything at this point is useless for us. We can buy tech for less total commerce than we can research them, and you can rest assured that some AI will always beat us to any tech until we have Libraries and Universities in all main cities. The ForbiddenPalace wouldn't hurt either.
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          • #6
            That is true, but researching something makes it cheaper. Going toward Eiri would allow us to go on a road that would lead to more development and thus get a lead in the tech race sooner.
            "Yay Apoc!!!!!!!" - bipolarbear
            "At least there were some thoughts went into Apocalypse." - Urban Ranger
            "Apocalype was a great game." - DrSpike
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            • #7
              NYE has a good point. We're not researching anyhow, so any tech we get will be through trade. It'll take us 40 turns to get Theology.

              All I know is that we need to have something to trade with ... technology, resources, etc. Get me something valuable, we'll trade it, and the focus will be Chivalry.

              --Togas
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              • #8
                We won't be some backwards civilization for ever. In 30 or 40 turns we will have a chance to be significantly more developed.
                "Yay Apoc!!!!!!!" - bipolarbear
                "At least there were some thoughts went into Apocalypse." - Urban Ranger
                "Apocalype was a great game." - DrSpike
                "In Apoc, I had one soldier who lasted through the entire game... was pretty cool. I like apoc for that reason, the soldiers are a bit more 'personal'." - General Ludd

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                • #9
                  BTW, I would like to have some clear input on whether you support this compromise, not just some comment on how we won't be the first to research the next tech.
                  "Yay Apoc!!!!!!!" - bipolarbear
                  "At least there were some thoughts went into Apocalypse." - Urban Ranger
                  "Apocalype was a great game." - DrSpike
                  "In Apoc, I had one soldier who lasted through the entire game... was pretty cool. I like apoc for that reason, the soldiers are a bit more 'personal'." - General Ludd

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                  • #10
                    Compromise

                    Apoc,

                    I know you're trying to do your best to satisfy the most people, and I can assure you that whatever you decide will be questioned. There's no making everyone happy. Therefore, you must make an educated choice that you feel is best for the nation, and prepare to defend it.

                    I don't think we should continue going about our 10% research rate and then pretend that we're actually researching. We're not. We beg, extort, and buy our way into knowledge, and until that pattern changes we should just be honest, pick our target, research it just to decrease the price and go for it as soon as it's available.

                    So if our target is Theology, then let's not say that we're going to research that, but buy Chivalry. The fact of the matter is, we're going for Chivalry, because we're never going to get Theology by researching it.

                    Decide what order is the most important, let me know, and I'll go after it for you. But keep in mind that the tech we're seeking through trade is our actual #1 priority, not necessarily the one we put on the screen with our poor Science Advisor (you know that guy, the one who constantly begs us to spend more on research).

                    --Togas
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                    • #12
                      I think our perspective on this will change once we become a Monarchy and boost the tech slider a bit. I say we need to start towards education now. Chivalry and Gunpowder will only threaten us if they are in the hands of our neighboring enemies. Persia is certainly not likely to acquire it, and if we are successful in attacks against Germany, they also will be a small threat.
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                      • #13
                        A good anaylsis as always apocalypse

                        I voted eriri on the poll. If we are attacked suddenly we may have to buy chivalry anyway.

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                        • #14
                          There should be a clear goal.
                          If we can control most of the terrain we need no worries as to wether or not we shall have saltpeter.
                          It's very likely that we shall control rubber and coal aswell.

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                          • #15
                            /me sees Gunpowder, Theology and Education

                            I like the whole thing.

                            However, Togas' post does make me wonder how much research will actually be possible - it might just end up being wasted cash until we build a few libraries and crank up our population. Monarchy will make a difference, but not for a while, especially if we go to war with America, and if we can't end the Persian/German wars for a bit.

                            Incidentally, what tech rate does this call for? We are currently still on 10%, and whatever happens little of this will be possible with that rate (except for buying, that is), until we get growth and Libraries, anyway.
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