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**Epistax** · August 31, 2002, 08:41

Code:

Epistan Plantation, Turn 4.  Admin: Epistax
Holdings: 
     Tile 009, N Termina, 1/0/1
     Tile 012, NW Termina, 1/0/0
Buildings:
     Tavern @ Termina (2+1/3 Complete)
Stockpile: 0+0 food    0+1-1 shields    0+0 commerce
Production:  2 food      0 shields      1 commerce
Cash Change: -$64
     112     Selling
     -176    Buying
Current Cash: $169      Debt: -$750 (Interest @ turn 15)
Selling:
     2 Food  @ $40/ea
     1 Comm  @ $35/ea
Buying:
     1 Shld  @ $60/ea
     1 Labr From Termina @ $33/ea
New D/S:
     Food: 32/10+2    = $267
     Shld: 22+1/23    = $100
     Comm: 48/8+1    = $533
     Termina Labor Labr: 0+1/3 = $33
Predicted Expenses|Income: 93|115 = $22

**Kuciwalker** · August 31, 2002, 09:52

Code:

Skywalker Corporation, Turn 4.  Admin: Skywalker
Holdings: 
     Tile 019, S Tassagrad, 2/1/1
Buildings:
     None
Stockpile: 0+0 food    0+1 shields    0+0 commerce
Production:  2 food      1 shields      1 commerce
Cash Change: $0
     0    Selling
     0    Buying
Current Cash: $0      Debt: -$1000 (Interest @ turn 18)
Selling:
     2 Food  @ D:S
     1 Comm  @ D:S
     1 Labor @ $20 (NOT the labor point - just use it for a turn)
     4 Shares @ $100
Buying:
     Nothing
New D/S:
     Food: 32/12+2    = $228
     Shld: 23+0/23    = $100
     Comm: 48/9+1    = $533
     Termina Labor: 1/3+1 = $25

Let me explain the Shares thing. I've created Skywalker Corporation, and there are currently 10 shares valued at $100 (as my total worth is $1000). If you buy 1 share, you'll get 10% of all profits each turn (the turn after you buy the share). It's simple.

Also, I'd like to hire someone to administer my assets in the future, as I'll soon be gone way too much to participate in trading sessions. To qualify, you must be able to access most or all of the trading sessions near the end, so you can get the best price for my goods. Every Sunday (except this one), which is the only day I'll really be able to get on, I'll want a report on my money and holdings, the general state of the market, some specific things that people have done, etc. In return for your services, you will receive 15% of all profits each turn, BEFORE stock.

**GhengisFarb™** · August 31, 2002, 11:17

Originally posted by skywalker
Skywalker Corporation, Turn 1. Admin: Skywalker
Holdings:
Tile 019 Tassagrad S (grass rd, mine)
Buildings:
None
Stockpile: 0+0 food 0+1 shields 0+0 commerce
Production: 2 food 1 shields 1 commerce
Cash Change: $0
0 Selling
0 Buying
Current Cash: $0 Debt: -$1000 (Interest @ turn 18)

Just corrected some technicalities.

Originally posted by skywalker
Selling:
2 Food @ D:S
1 Comm @ D:S

If you "sell @ D:S" the government takes out the greater of a $5 or 10% fee PER COMMODITY (That's $10 or 10% of sale price for two food) as a fee. That way those who actively try to guess the ending price have a chance to make a little more.

Originally posted by skywalker
Selling:
1 Labor @ $50 (NOT the labor point - just use it for a turn)

Are you offering your Vassal labor from your estate for someone else to use?

Originally posted by skywalker
4 Shares @ $100
Buying:
Nothing
New D/S:
Food: 32/12+2 = $228
Shld: 23+0/23 = $100
Comm: 48/9+1 = $533
Termina Labor Labr: 1+1/3 = $66

Let me explain the Shares thing. I've created Skywalker Corporation, and there are currently 10 shares valued at $100 (as my total worth is $1000). If you buy 1 share, you'll get 10% of all profits each turn (the turn after you buy the share). It's simple.

Also, I'd like to hire someone to administer my assets in the future, as I'll soon be gone way too much to participate in trading sessions. To qualify, you must be able to access most or all of the trading sessions near the end, so you can get the best price for my goods. Every Sunday (except this one), which is the only day I'll really be able to get on, I'll want a report on my money and holdings, the general state of the market, some specific things that people have done, etc. In return for your services, you will receive 15% of all profits each turn, BEFORE stock.

I don't have a problem with the shares thing, but we haven't developed the Corporation yet so I don't know if we should play with it.

Are you trying to hire labor from Termina? You added +1 to the demand.

**GhengisFarb™** · August 31, 2002, 11:33

NOTICE: In the watered down offer that the players agreed to use for this trading session I forgot to add a note that the Commerce Market would use a Base Rate of $50 instead of $100. Since no one agreed to the $50 Base Rate, I used the $100 Base Rate for this session. With the addition of Port Rouge to the Region that means Commerce Demand is 48, and Commerce supply INCLUDING stockpiles and city tiles is 45(37+8) = $106 (with base rate 50 it would have been $53) I need players input as to whether we should play with the intended $50 BR now, or drop it to 50 in later trading sessions (next session we go back to the old commerce supply/demand).

Currently if you set your price to $106 there is no way to not sell your commerce, if the Base Rate drops to $50 the cut off price will be $53.

Remember, that while you would get to sell your commerce at $106, so would I. And I didn't sell commerce last turn as I was 'holding back' my supply to keep from driving the price to $20 or less.

**OPD** · August 31, 2002, 12:00

Would knowledge of where labourers will work in the future be of any use to anyone.

**GhengisFarb™** · August 31, 2002, 12:20

Originally posted by OPD
Would knowledge of where labourers will work in the future be of any use to anyone.

At this point, everyone already owns the tiles so it really wouldn't influence much.

Now being able to affect WHICH tiles got worked would have a major effect on the players, as players would want the tiles they own to be improved so they could produce more..........

(wonders what it would take to get BHQ's mountain mined and roaded)

**Kuciwalker** · August 31, 2002, 12:40

GhengisFarb -

Thanks for pointing out the mistakes. I'm leaving it at D:S for now, and I'm going to change it later. In case you didn't notice, I just copied Epistax's post and changed a few things. Yes, I am selling the use of that vassal for one turn, as I can't use him right now.

**Epistax** · August 31, 2002, 12:40

Is there a sudden new commerce demand not met with supply that I have not heard of? Grr this is still confuseing-- there should be almost no increased D/S ratio, as with the new cities with more demand, game new squares being worked on by the city satisfying the demand.

Again, this thread has already gone to hell, so I see no reason not to post this.

**Kuciwalker** · August 31, 2002, 12:42

Epistax - will you buy your laborer from me instead of Termina? You'll pay $13 less.

**Nimitz** · August 31, 2002, 13:03

Code:

Banana Pastures , Turn 4.  Admin: Nimitiz
Holdings: 
     Tile 031, NW Banana HQ, 2/1/2
Buildings:
     None
Stockpile: 0+0 food    0+0 shields    0+0 commerce
Production:  2 food      1 shields      2 commerce
Cash Change: $0
     0    Selling
     0    Buying
Current Cash: $0      Debt: -$1500 (Interest @ turn 18)
Selling:
     2 Food  @ $190 each
     2 Comm  @ 390 each
     1 shield @ 85 each
Buying:
     Nothing
New D/S:
     Food: 32/12+4    = $200
     Shld: 23+0/23+1    = $95
     Comm: 48/9+3    = $400

**GhengisFarb™** · August 31, 2002, 13:12

Originally posted by Epistax
Is there a sudden new commerce demand not met with supply that I have not heard of? Grr this is still confuseing-- there should be almost no increased D/S ratio, as with the new cities with more demand, game new squares being worked on by the city satisfying the demand.

Again, this thread has already gone to hell, so I see no reason not to post this.

We changed the source of the numbers for the commerce ratio. Currently we produce less than they demand. As more players join we'll produce more than they demand. When the cities grow larger we'll produce less again. (I was pointing out the current excess demand so you could change your price)

The important thing is the source numbers are accurate supply/demand numbers for commerce and will ALWAYS work. The old numbers were going to require us to change the ratio every 10-20 turns because they weren't really demand/supply numbers for commerce.

Sometimes we'll have excess, sometimes we won't. if you store your commerce during the excess turns you can sell them for more money during the high demand turns. This is a high demand turn.

**GhengisFarb™** · August 31, 2002, 13:50

Code:

The Shiek Estate 
Turn #: 004 
Holdings: 018 Tassagrad SE (jungle) and 021 Tassagrad W (jungle)

Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shields, 0 commerce 
Cash: $0 
Debt: -$400 (10% interest, 12 turns remaining on grace period) 
Buildings: none 

Administered by: GhengisFarb 

Last turn's completed trades: 
None 
Net cash flow = $0 
--- 
Production this turn: 2 food
--- 

Proposed Deals: 

Sell 2 food @ $76 (D:S 32/18 (16+2)=$177) 
Loan Vassal to GhengisFarb
Pay GhengisFarb $15

**Epistax** · August 31, 2002, 14:18

How's This?

Code:

Epistan Plantation, Turn 4.  Admin: Epistax
+Update+
Selling:
     2 Food  @ $70/ea
     1 Comm  @ $50/ea
Buying:
     1 Shld  @ $60/ea
     1 Labr From Termina @ $33/ea
New D/S:
     Food: 32/18 (100)    = $178
     Shld: 23/24 (100)    = $96
     Comm: 48/12 (50)     = $200
     Termina Labor Labr: 1/3 = $33

**Nimitz** · August 31, 2002, 14:18

We aloud change our offers right the the price we sell things at like shields?

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