War Academy/ Machiavelli Institute: Response to the Military alliances

[UnOrthOdOx]

OK, guys. This is what you are here for.

We are at war with France, Gemany, and Persia. There is plenty of bad attitude towards us to go around. What are our options?

[Shiber]

Some suggestions:

* Upgrade the two warriors in BHQ.
* Upgrade the warrior in Tassagrad.
* Move the warrior NW N NW of BHQ to BHQ and upgrade.
* Apolyton has 3 spearmen. We should move one to BHQ to replace the two warriors that are leaving and and another one to Napoleton.
* As soon as more spearmen are built in the core, send them to the front.
* Change production in Paris to spearman.
* Stop producing temples in the Northeastern jungle towns and switch to spearmen. Now that we are at war with Germany, instead of taking Munich by culture we can take it by force.

One more thing: if we can repel the Germans for long enough they will eventually turn to us asking for peace to stop war weariness on their side. This is in accordance to my experience of fighting Republic/Democratic AIs. Therefore some units stationed on the mountains along the German front would do us good.

[adaMada]

Wow.

I totally didn't expect this to happen.

I've gotta open up the game and see it for myself (not that I don't trust you UnOrthO)... after that, I guess it's time for an emergency update to the Foreign ministry office. Any options I come up with will be listed there, and if it's anything worthwhile, I'll post a link here.

-- adaMada

[wervdon]

Did we get Orleans too? I wasn't sure from the turn report and dont have time to DL the save.

If so, we should make peace with france asap, hold off germany (or take munich if we can spare the troops) until we can make peace, then do everything we can to neuter persia by cutting off their iron.

Oh and I saw in the other thread that america would sign an alliance and pay us for it, that wouldnt be too bright as we'd see germany in our fragrant valley

[trickey]

Yes, we got Olreans.

[Shiber]

I estimate it will take 3 more turns before France agrees to see our envoy. Until then we should continue the war as usual.

[GePap]

We need to upgrade all warriors ASAP. Continue the anti-French war as planned. Destroy the Persia entruders and launch a punititve strike against Sidon.

Take Munich and brace for attacks from Germans. After we are done with France, bring army back to deal with Germans.

I am also somewhat worried about the Romans. We need to make sure they stay out of thisd global war: f they join the French, this might embolden frogs to stay fighting and does not allow our armies to return to face Gemans and Persians.

[Robber Baron]

Do not lose heart, Apolytonians! Things are not as dire as they seem. We should be able to make peace with France after one more series of strikes, and should be able to defend most of our territory against other foes.

The AI will discuss peace after a short war. The only city I see writing off in terms of active defense, at this point, is Napoleton. We should be able to hold the rest.

I suggest the following military moves, to shore up defenses along our border :
1) Seeburg switches production to walls, and pop-rushes (brings pop. down 1);
2) upgrade veteran warrior in Banana HQ to sword (40 gp), move toward Loveshack. Switch production in Banana HQ to swordsman, and pop-rush the sword. (I would leave the non-veteran warrior there in place, and not upgrad him unless things deteriorate.) We should be able to reclaim Loveshack, if it falls, and possibly take Munich, with that force;
3) switch production in Tassagrad to spear, and production in Termina and Apolyton to horsemen. (My vote would be to avoid using war chariots -- I don't think things are going to get drastic enough to warrant an emergency golden age);
4) send workers in jungle near Ubergorsk south, to move into city for defense next turn -- possibly to add to population there in case we need to pop-rush defenses. Move other workers elsewhere on board (e.g., above Geofront) into cities;
5) upgrade warrior in Geofront to swordsman; switch production to walls.

On the front with France, press on. Send the archer stack north to take Rheims, and the sword stack north to take Marsailles (as soon as the Parisians have been pacified). Conquering these two cities will bring the French to the bargaining table. Production in these cities should be switched to temples, which should be pop-rushed.

It's a bit of a gamble, keeping so much of our slender military resources fighting in the west, when we can expect to be pressed hard on our eastern front. But I think we should be able to get the territory we originally planed to acquire from the French, and hold the line elsewhere -- especially if we sacrifice Napoleton.

We should not contemplate any alliance which would bring the Americans in on the war -- it's not worth the risk of seeing another civ take Chicago, before we are ready to make our claim there.

[Shiber]

I support your plan. I'd like to add that we should move one veteran spearman from Loveshack to either Napoleton or Seeberg once an upgraded warrior takes out the archer that is threatening it. Since Loveshack won't be in any actual danger is can spare the garrison unit (it's currently guarded by two veteran spearmen).

P.S. Using workers to add to a city's population to rush defenses is a very good idea!

[Panag]

hi ,

we should take full advantage of the mountains near germany and paris , ....

we should take a look at what units are behind the frontlines in our cities , and see what we can send out , ....

it would be nice if there is a way we can let the other civs declare war on each other , ......

have a nice day

[Aggie]

As far as movement of troops I've set plan out on the turnthread page. The reason i would push for the archer to attack Chartes is simple. With Rheims being the capital I would rather have an assault of both Sword and archers there. This could happen quickly after marselles falls and will fall in4 turns. Once Chartes falls I am considering moving a fw of the recovering troops to PAris to releive the swordmen so we can take Rheims easier and then make peace. I really don't thing chartes needs to be garrisoned except to get resistors pacified. I also would keep temples where possible. Temples=culture = visibility and recon. That is worth more than the one unit. I think defensively we have enough units, its getting them to the front that is a problem. I really wish we had concentrated more on connecting all our cities instead of clearing some jungle.
I would like chariots so we can upgrade them to horseman. With a 5 horse force moving 6 tiles a turn I could react and maybe even counter attack. Also I wish I had been here when the decision was made to build all the workers. Yes they are nice but I would like some cities bigger than 2. I will look and think closely before I comment on changing work orders.
Also NO ALLIANCES!!!!!!!!!
Aggie

[Panag]

hi ,

lets put those workers to work , ...

the first thing they should do is connect all the cities , ....

then they should start to build at least one mine near Paris , elsewhere they should start to clear the jungle , ...

have a nice day

[GhengisFarb™]

I don't think I'm a member of either of the organizations in the Thread Title, but I can't stand by and see my civ go down the path of uselessness.

1)Germany and Persia are FAR MORE UNPREPARED for this that we are. Persia's production center is a good distance away from the border and we can charge horsemen/chariots over our roaded iron and across the grassland into Sidon. A couple of skirmishes and they'll agree to peace.

2)We don't need to pop-rush anything we have everything we need to wage and win all three wars. We can upgrade our warriors and start building horsemen/chariots and swordsmen in all available cities that have barracks. Barracks should be Ubergorsk's #1 priority, why our single greatest War Factory doesn't have a barraks I don't know. Why would we build walls in Seeburg? We already wasted enough shields in Ubergorsk and Seeburg will be protected behind Hamburg when this is over.

3)All available workers should finish the road to Seeburg and build towards Munich. With our upgraded swordsmen and some excess spearmen we can take Hamburg.

4)EXTREMELY IMPORTANT! No alliances, ignore Chartres and Munich they have absolutely nothing to do with this war and the AI will NOT use them. They only produce 1 shield a turn and offer NO THREAT. They will be ours by culture flip eventually, and thinking about them divides our forces from the necessary objectives.

Germany's not about to send troops out of Munich and risk their dye resources. They'll hold it until after the war and hope we connect it to their Empire with roads. If we lose Napoleton we can get it back in the Peace Treaty we sign the minute we take Hamburg (it'd be nice if we could get Munich but I doubt the Germans will give it up).

This should be a quick easy conflict with us taking/destroying Sidon and gaining Hamburg. Then we'll get Chartres and Munich from culture flips or if impatient we can take them in another war. A war we plan ahead for.

[UnOrthOdOx]

I agree with most of the above post. Any alliance will mean we cannot discuss peace. Think about it. Bloody the AI nose, and they will discuss peace. Sign an aliance and that discussion will ruin our rep..

The only other ones that would offer any resistance to us is Greece. If Greece is drug into this, we already have England and the Aztecs at war with them.

[OPD]

There is a Production summary in the city planning thread which may be useful for this discussion.