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**trickey** · August 25, 2002, 11:07

Hmmm, this doesnt look good. I wonder if we should recruit a few allies for ourselves. If we dont, im sure France and Germany will get the other civs against us.

**Panag** · August 25, 2002, 11:15

Originally posted by trickey
Hmmm, this doesnt look good. I wonder if we should recruit a few allies for ourselves. If we dont, im sure France and Germany will get the other civs against us.

hi ,

they could get tired of it and drop it after 20 turns , ...

have a nice day

**Aggie** · August 25, 2002, 12:43

I think the situation is not all that bad and let me tell you why.
1) France is DOOMED
We won 2 huge victories with minimal loses.
Marseles and Rheims/Chartes are next
Then we will make peace with France for much tribute and cities and maybe even tech if there allies give them any and they might.
2) Germany is no danger, except for napolitan. So we might loose that city. However I can just about Guarentee the will lose munich and will be gone from our territory once and for all. After we take munich they will make peace in 1/2 turns after.
3) Persia is the wosrt threat but they have settler stacks, yummmy yummy we will get slaves. Ubergorsk is defend by 2 veteran spear behind walls with fortification bonus. This is not like when the AI plans for war and has huge stacks moving against you. This is the AI with a rushed war with a few archers here or there. They will do little damage.
4). Who can they bring against us
America and Greece
Bringing in americva would give us an excuse to finish them sooner.
Greece could be a threat but they are already at war and probably don't need a 3rd war..
Aggie

**Shiber** · August 25, 2002, 12:48

Good analysis Aggie.
IMHO Persia can't bring Greece against us because:
a) Persia is low on cash.
b) Greece isn't going to agree to an alliance against us anyway, unless Persia agrees to ally against England as well which is something that Persia can't agree to.

Btw, a swordsman (not the veteran, one of the regulars that we're going to upgrade) should be assigned to hunting down Persian settler stacks. It will make Persia agree to a peace deal much faster IMHO.

**Reddawg** · August 25, 2002, 13:00

They aren't going to bring in anyone else, AI always brings people in right away or not at all, it seems to me. Even if they did bring in Greece, we'd have the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing with England and Aztecs.

and dont underestimate germany.

**Will 5001** · August 25, 2002, 13:15

I may sound like a coward, but i think I am acting in a self-preservation manner when I say that when those immortals start to appear, if I dont have an Army at least 2 or three times their size, I am running the otherway!!

**Shiber** · August 25, 2002, 13:15

You're right, Germany has two cities (Berlin with 8 pop and Frankfurt with 7 pop) which can produce military units fast.

**Aggie** · August 25, 2002, 13:41

Indeed they can but remember the ai will start making peace in 5 or so turns(also they are republic), so by the time the troops got to the combat area they would be all dressed up with no place to go.

**Vlad Antlerkov** · August 25, 2002, 13:59

DAMN! (looking at the diplo screen)

Originally posted by Aggie
2) Germany is no danger, except for napolitan. So we might loose that city. However I can just about Guarentee the will lose munich and will be gone from our territory once and for all. After we take munich they will make peace in 1/2 turns after.

An idea: Before entering negotiations, move all our units out of Munich. Offer to trade Napoleton for Munich (assuming they have Munich). We'll get Munich through culture-flipping anyway.

**Shiber** · August 25, 2002, 14:08

Good idea.
All I can say is that I hope we won't come to this (to losing Napoleton, that is).

**Panag** · August 25, 2002, 14:09

hi ,

, do we have any real options to bring others on our side in the war

have a nice day

**Shiber** · August 25, 2002, 14:15

Yes. Read the thread about allying with England (here's a link).

**Duddha** · August 25, 2002, 15:43

Good God! I mean Good Banana! War with three civs! Ach!

**Duddha** · August 25, 2002, 15:44

*Duddha composes himself*

I'm sure our mighty armies will destroy them all.

**wervdon** · August 25, 2002, 21:21

I would love to actually look at the save (particularly our exact troop strength and locations at this time, and whatever we know about our enemies), but for some reason both the save files in this thread cause my civ3 to go boom.

I gets to 100% loaded then stops, the CD spins up, and I get illegal operation in sound.dll (it doesnt matter if sound is on or off either) It only happens with these two saves, all my saves are fine, all the older apolytonia saves work, so I dont know.

In any case, if someone wants to actually draw up a tactical map showing just cities & troop strengths (ours & known enemy ones) that'd be cool. If nothing else just a simple list by closest city would work (ie. 3 swordsman near Paris enroute to Orleans or such)

Its hard to make actual knowledgable assessments without that sort of exact information.

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