The $Mini-Game BETA: Join, bid, play

[Spiffor]

[quote]I don't live in Europe, so I don't have the "squiggly L".[quote]
Oh ok sorry. I thought everyone had the pound symbol, esp. QWERTY users (since it's the English keyboard). I'll use $ from now then.

[Epistax]

For the 4th time (or so)

009: $350 three hundred and fifty
012: $250 two hundred and fifty

* I don't find it annoying, but rather funny.


Edit: Captain your mail box is FULL!

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I don't live in Europe, so I don't have the "squiggly L".

Oh ok sorry. I thought everyone had the pound symbol, esp. QWERTY users (since it's the English keyboard). I'll use $ from now then.

Yeah, I used to have a Korean computer and it had Yen and Pound on it, but I think the currency symbols are region specific. (Except the dollar for some reason)

Epistax- Is it right now?

[Sheik]

I have all english (United States) symbols on my computer but can enter the foreign ones as well it just takes awhile. The dollar is probably on all computers because it is used in a few different places and for business. What symbol do they use in Australia?

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Captain,

I am sorry that you want to beta test an idea of the market which is wrong in all respects. But as one says in those cases, it just a game ! :

Could you please elaborate?

Changed by bid to:
$550 for 4 and
$450 for 9

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

10) Revised Basic Buildings List:

because of questions and suggestions received

Silo (10 shields): Allows stockpiling up to 20 food.
Warehouse (10 shields): Allows stockpiling 20 items total of either shields or commerce.
Inn (40 shields): Converts 1 food and 1 merchandise into cash for 150% of the market price per turn*.
Shop (50 shields): Allows you to sell up to 3 commerce per turn for 20% more*.
Workshop (50 shields): Allows you to hire up to 3 labourers per turn for 20% less than the current rate*.
Bank (100 shields): Allows the owner to LEND and store CASH, in addition to the regular commissions earned as described in post above.
House: Houses are built in increments of 10 shields per level of splendour. Increases Property Value of tiles. Can be mortgaged for cash if a banker is willing.


*Means you post prices and offers in accordance with the rates, but if your deal goes through, at that time, you add your bonuses.

So basically:
Shields are Construction Supplies
Commerce are Trade Goods
Food is Food Stuffs
Labor is Construction Workers
Is this correct?

Observations:
We should be able to store cash by default.
I would like to see Resources as more profitable products (horses, iron, dye, etc.)
I would like there to be an "improvement" land owners can build on their property that increases it's production.

[Epistax]

$500 for 009.

I should point out that I am bidding on two adjacent squares, so I am willing to buy them as a block. Say, $750-$850 for the pair. This would outbid others who bid less for a single.

EDIT:

In addition I am willing to sign a contract to pay no less than $300 each a piece for the two jungle tiles NW of 009 and 012, when they become available by culture.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Epistax
$500 for 009.

I should point out that I am bidding on two adjacent squares, so I am willing to buy them as a block. Say, $750-$850 for the pair. This would outbid others who bid less for a single.

All the auctions are for single pieces, and in normal auctions the single bidder would get preference since the single bids add up to more than the combined bid.

[Epistax]

Ah but we want this to be a realistic economy situation, yes? The bank wants whoever will be taking the biggest loans, completely.

We need a banker who can't buy land while in office, or something like that, so that they can best convey the view of the bank.

In addition, land is often sold in bundles at lower prices. And as always, banks will sign many contracts in their favor to bend and break rules.



So who here is a greedy (bad word goes here) who could rep the bank?


EDIT: Examples of breaking rules

A bank would allow people to circumvent the bidding if they offer a lot, and would close as soon as a very high bid is made so it can't be retracted.

If someone was willing to say, pay interest upfront with no grace period, they would certainly get priority over other people that offered more.

If someone is willing to enter some other sort of contract, the bank always has ears open. For instance my contract to buy certain further lands.

Banks LOVE this stuff


EDIT: Captain, your box is still full. You are deleting from your sent folder too, correct?

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Here are the current lands on AUCTION and the minimum/current bids:

NOTE: I renamed the 3's: 3a and 3b.
Currently winning bidder in bold green.

001 Apolyton N (horse, grass, rd), $1000
....$1000...NYE
002 Apolyton NE (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1100...Franses
....$1000...MrWIA
003a Apolyton SW (forest, rd), $1200
....$1200...Jonny
003b Apolyton W (forest, rd), $1200
....$1200...Spiffor
004 Apolyton NW (grass), $500
....$525...GhengisFarb
005 Apolyton NW10 (mined forest rd), $1200

006 Apolyton NW11 (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1400...Kloreep
....$1320...Darth Viper

007 Apolyton NW12 (mined grass rd), $1000

008 Apolyton NE1 (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1000...civman2000
009 Termina N (jungle), $200
....$500...Epistax
....$450...GhengisFarb
010 Termina NE (mined grass rd), $1000
011 Termina E (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1020...Rendelnep
012 Termina NW (jungle), $200
....$250...Epistax
013 Termina NE1 (jungle), $200
....$250...UnOrthOdOx
014 Termina NE2 (jungle), $200
....$200...UnOrthOdOx
015 Termina NE3 (jungle), $200

016 Tassagrad N (mined grass rd), $1000

017 Tassagrad NE (jungle), $200

018 Tassagrad SE (jungle), $200
....$200...Sheik
019 Tassagrad S (grass rd, mine?), $1000

020 Tassagrad SW (mined grass rd), $1000

021 Tassagrad W (jungle), $200
....$200...Shiek
022 Tassagrad NW (jungle), $200

023 Tassagrad NW10 (jungle), $200
....$250...jdd2007
024 Tassagrad NW11 (jungle), $200
....$250...jdd2007
025 Tassagrad NW12 (jungle), $200
....$250...jdd2007
026 BHQ N (mountain), $200
....$225...GhengisFarb
027 BHQ NE (jungle), $200
....$225...GhengisFarb
028 BHQ S (jungle), $200

029 BHQ SW (mined grass rd river), $1500
....$1500...Kman
030 BHQ W (mined grass rd river), $1500
....$1500...Captain
031 BHQ NW (mined grass river), $1500

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Epistax
We need a banker who can't buy land while in office, or something like that, so that they can best convey the view of the bank.

In addition, land is often sold in bundles at lower prices. And as always, banks will sign many contracts in their favor to bend and break rules.

So who here is a greedy (bad word goes here) who could rep the bank?

EDIT: Examples of breaking rules

A bank would allow people to circumvent the bidding if they offer a lot, and would close as soon as a very high bid is made so it can't be retracted.

If someone was willing to say, pay interest upfront with no grace period, they would certainly get priority over other people that offered more.

If someone is willing to enter some other sort of contract, the bank always has ears open. For instance my contract to buy certain further lands.

Banks LOVE this stuff

That would just open too many posibilities of people abusing the game.

I bid $225 on 26 and 27.

[jdd2007]

when does the auction end?

[Franses]

I have seen somewhere that it would be open for three days and that was yesterday, if I recall well. That would mean another two days. Why not close it now and keep the open lots for those who want to join later?

[Captain]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb


So basically:
Shields are Construction Supplies
Commerce are Trade Goods
Food is Food Stuffs
Labor is Construction Workers
Is this correct?

yes. you got it.

Observations:
We should be able to store cash by default.
I would like to see Resources as more profitable products (horses, iron, dye, etc.)
I would like there to be an "improvement" land owners can build on their property that increases it's production.

yes, you can store cash by default.
yes, hopefully we can introduce resources later (but what do these resources do? Are they just a more valuable form of trade goods? What can we do with them?
for that matter, I think we need to make commerce/trade goods more valuable also...
right now, the only really useful thing is shields. food and commerce seem to be only useful for trading for cash, for shields to build things, to make more cash... a neverending upwards spiral. after a while, when you have millions of lytons lying around, you want to do something with them... but what?

suggestions anyone? what do we do with all the money we're going to accumulate, besides use it to make more money? is there any way to splurge? sponsor your own library wing perhaps?


as for improvements to land that increases production... that's what you're lobbying the PW minister is for.

[Captain]

Bankers are in it for themselves...

But bankers would start the same as everyone else, with no cash. They'd be eligible for loans from the government too, which they could then loan others at interest.

Right now, the only one with any money is the government - who owns everything by default, until it sells it off. The government agent doesn't get to keep the money for himself, he just carries out the government's business - namely paying our ministers and other staff their salaries (as a small reward and an incentive for more people to serve in office). He is also in charge of payroll for those who give services to the public, like the newspaper and others. Of course, since he himself is providing a service, he is also eligible for compensation (subject to taxpayer approval to avoid corruption).

Remember, aside from the Government Agent and the Market Assessor, players are generally in it for themselves.

After thinking a bit, I realize I'd be in a conflict of interest acting as a government agent for the auction and bidding in the same auction. So I withdraw my bid. Maybe in the future.