Paris and the Great Library

[GodKing]

I am setting this up as an informational poll, however i would prefer if people posted their oppinions


Paris is currently building the Great Library. We will soon own paris. We do not yet know the following:

1) how many turns will it take to build
2) who else is closer to construction (if any)
3) if they do not build it, what they may switch to
(I suspect the great wall will be first choice)

If we declare war the AI will switch paris from what it is building to something new - most likely an offensive unit. Prior to declaring war, we will open an embassy and see how many turns are left. If it is many turns, obviously we will continue and take the city. But what if there are only a few. Do we wait? If so, how many turns is a few? 3 - yes. 10 - maybe?, 20 - ????

remember, the longer we wait, the harder this war will be on us.

The vote is for how many turns you think we schould let the AI have (after we open the embassy and know for sure) to try and build a wonder for us.

[Ninot]

I voted 0

the GL will not warrant putting our attack in jeapordy

we need to pounce ASAP... techs are coming and going too quickly for the GL to matter this much.

[adaMada]

We could really use great library, so I went all the way to ten turns, though if we get information that the AI will get pikemen anytime soon I'd change my mind and want to go ASAP.

-- adaMada

[notyoueither]

I would vote for setting up an embassy or doing an investigate city (if we already have one). Lets talk about facts in the light of other things we can find out once we know those facts.

BTW, how many other civs are working on GL? When did they start? Did they switch from an earlier wonder?

The French may be 6 turns from it, but some other civ may very well finish in 5. Bad news.

[GodKing]

Unfortunately, many of the bits of info we would like to have have to wait until we open our embassy. We will most likely plan on doing that immediatly before we declair war, so we gain the most benifit of looking inside their capitol (and our first target).

We do not yet know how long it would take for them to get pikemen, perhaps even next turn they will get them. All this is unknown. And not knowing just sucks big time.

I set this up however, because I haven't seen much in the way of discussion on this topic, and to help our future administration in formulating a policy that they can use for dealing with the french pigs. I voted 10 turns, because we will still need 5 or so more to get into position for the initial attack. Even the 10 turns I would give them may be too many for us to mount a very effective attack. Luck of the draw.

Unfortunately, even if we do wait, they may not get it. They may get nothing at all as many other civs are working on wonders (see GePaps excelent summery thread for what we do know).

I do think that with our lagging behind in science, we can tech whore even better with the GL.

[GhengisFarb™]

I do think the length to their producing a Wonder could be a strategic variable and would certainly like to capture the Great Library.

[OPD]

15 turns. All this cr** about pikemen doesn't scare me.
Remember if we don't let them build it they'll get another unit if they switch to one from the GL.

[GePap]

I think the probability of the French getting the G.L. is not so great. They got a boost while making the Pyramids (industrious) but now they loose tthat making the G.L. while the Grreks and other scienftific civs, like Germans, Russkies, and Babs, have gained the boost. As I have said before, I peg the Greeks as getting it, buteven if its not them, it will porbably be someone Scientific. Oh, and oppening an embassy should be priority #1 once the next government takes over.

[Spiffor]

0 turns. With all the other guys around, the chance that the French get to build the GL is far from 100%.
And we're late already. Sure, Paris won't build units and will build its wonder instead. But don't forget other ciites aren't busy with a wonder, and are probably chunrning out units, incl. swordsmen (France has iron now).

Since technology goes very fast, and that all ancient wonders get obsolete except pyramids, whatever the wonder the French will come up with will have a very short lifespan.
Thus, the interest of a wonder would be culture. Unfortunately, captured wonders don't build culture. But keeping their wonders away from the French will make them more furious than necessary.

We must not jeopardize our blitz for something as random / shortlived as the mythical GL in Paris.

[Donal Graeme]

I say that we should not wait over three turns from the point that we would be waiting to attack. Three turns won't give them enough time to build many more units, and will not hurt the effectiveness of our blitz. Also, any longer than that and we can't be sure someone else will build the GL. If someone else does build it in three turns, we lose some time, but not much. So I say three turns.

[Vitreous Humor]

3 Turns at most.

The Libary becomes obsolete when Education is discovered. This is three picks into the medieval tech tree which is not that far off. (Monetheism --> Theology --> Education) The current policy of techwhoring seem to be working well enough at the moment.

It would be good to have but as Paris is (hopefully! ) about to become our biggest city we shouldn't get too greedy. Focus on capturing it.

[SABRA]

There are some mountains , but they are not mined , ones we have that city , we should mine them !

[Inverse Icarus]

I could wait 3-5 turns or so if the Library would be completed in that time. but i'd like a spot check of all the other civs building it.

[Panag]

Originally posted by UberKruX
I could wait 3-5 turns or so if the Library would be completed in that time. but i'd like a spot check of all the other civs building it.

hi ,

we could wait indeed unitl its there , then the turn its builded we should grab it , .....

in the mean time we could use the time to get more units , you love that Uber , and to get them in place , ...

have a nice day

[Reddawg]

It's taken for granted that we are going to establish and embassy and investigate Paris. So to find out that they are only 5 turns away from a wonder and then just barge in and take the city before it's built would be insanity. A lot of resources go into building a wonder, if we capture the city when it's nearly done we'd have wasted a lot of resources and a lot of culture... such a waste.
I say wait minimum five turns, maybe 10 if they don't look to be getting pikemen very soon.