War Academy: SMC Generalized Plan: The Persians

[Inverse Icarus]

Persia may not be number one, but they're another civ we should be wary of.

As you can tell, they have no problem waltzing all over our territory, they have no reguard for our borders.

The Persians have very little culture of their own, and with any luck Tyre and Sidon will flip to us in the near future.

The persians do not have iron right now but they will realitevly soon. Their immortals are 4-2-1. A unit even a pikeman cant defend against with certainty.

One good thing about Persia is that most of the cities we would want are located on the southern pennisula (Presopolis, Bactra, Susa, Tarsus, Gordium). This could be a simple "divide and conquer" maneuver.

In fact, if we get ahead after destorying America and France, we may be able to crush ther Persians without even suing for peace.

Once the penninsula is taken, they're basically nothing.

[Inverse Icarus]

i hit enter and the damn thing posted. oh well.

heres the map.

discuss.

[Shiber]

I have to admit I can't stop drooling over that Peninsula, but we might want to wait until we have cavalry so we can roam into deep Persian territory as quick as possible without fearing that our force would be counter-attacked during its voyage.

[OPD]

If we wanted to be sneaky we could build a city next to thier iron as it is outside thier cultural borders. Without thier immortals they would only ever be a second rate nation.

But if we wanted to be really really sneaky we could build a city next to their iron and then give the city to the english so that the Persians couldn't culture flip the city and would be facing a tough war if they tried to take it by force.

If we could deny the Persians iron it would mean no immortals, knights or pikeman. Or inother words a complete walk over.

[Edrix]

Getting that iron would require a settler/spearmen group be sent out NOW, as Antioch could expand any time now. Immortals have a defense of 2, so they're not really anything to worry about unless they start attacking too much. If we can cripple their military production soon enough (that is, make Antioch a primary target should they get the iron there), they won't be able to produce more Immortals and really won't have any advantage. The key is to overwhelm them right at the beginning so they won't have the ability to launch an effective counterattack. AFAIK, that one iron deposit is all they have, correct (I'm too tired to load up the .SAV right now and check)? Basically, if we ever hope to do anything to the Persians in the future, we need to get that iron now. No iron means no Middle Age military, at all. We could do this with Knights.

[Shiber]

I like your way of thinking! However I'm pretty certain the English are going to settle that spot before we do.
Nevertheless we should try settling it so we can give it to the English. Doing so would create us a much needed ally in the future.

[Sheik]

I like OPD's idea. Don't we already have a settler in the field with a spearman.

[Aro]

I like the OPD idea, but I never give any city to another civ... and I think we can't waste any settler by now.
By the other hand, could be funny to be sooo evil...

[OPD]

Originally posted by Edrix
Getting that iron would require a settler/spearmen group be sent out NOW, as Antioch could expand any time now.

yeah you're right i thought we had a spare settler but we built the city of memphis last time.
It'll probably have expanded by the time we build a settler and get over there.

[Captain]

at the very least, station fast moving troops near the Persian iron deposit, close enough that if war breaks out, we can cut the supply immediately, use the fast movers to pillage the rest of the roads around that city, so that it will be a dozen turns before they can reconnect, even if they kill our fastmovers.

or if we have pikes by then, pillage and sit on the source and hope their existing armies are not powerful enough to dislodge us quickly.

we use the time bought to rally our troops, hurrying whatever we must, and either reinforce the troops blocking their iron access, or to start taking cities, further cutting their production and cultural border. As long as they're without iron, we can win a war of attrition (even if they outproduce us, they'll only have archers!). Of course, we'd love to hit hard and fast enough that they'll beg for peace, but if they get aggressive soon, I don't think we'll have time to build an army big enough to meet the ideal.

[adaMada]

I like the english idea -- give them the city, and in return, get them to declare war on the Aztecs with us (we're too far away from the Aztecs to actually have to fight). Cripple England, Persia, and the Aztecs all in one -- I think it's worth a settler.

On the other hand, we could just build and give England the city and get something else we want in return, such as whatever tech they have.

Just a thought.

-- adaMada

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by adaMada
I like the english idea -- give them the city, and in return, get them to declare war on the Aztecs with us (we're too far away from the Aztecs to actually have to fight). Cripple England, Persia, and the Aztecs all in one -- I think it's worth a settler.

On the other hand, we could just build and give England the city and get something else we want in return, such as whatever tech they have.

Just a thought.

-- adaMada

I don't think the comp has been willing to give you anything for cities (and vice versa) since several patches ago. It only accepts them as gifts, and will only give them away for a peace treaty.

[GePap]

I think Persia would be better suited to be an ally/ subject nation than areas to take over. We can use them long term against the english, who are #2 in the world, and the Germans, who's territory is much closer and thus much more useful to our empire. We have to stop worrying solely about our neighbors and start looking at the overall situation, and the Greeks, English and Romans are shaping up to be our biggest long term competitors- to say nothing of the Chinese and Japanese- we have no clue how big they are , almost half the map is unknown, and we don't know what the four missing civs might be up to.

[Shiber]

-- OT --

That reminds me - if we could be the first civ to make contact with those civs, we'd be RICH!!
The civs living in the other continent(s) are probably technologically backward in comparison to us because all of the Abananaba civs have been trading techs AFAIK. Why, we could sell them tons of technologies for gold and gpt! We could also sell communications but I'd rather be the only civ with communications with civs from overseas.
We should therefore make it a high priority to research means of safely traversing ocean tiles.

[adaMada]

Shiber,
Another good idea . Again, might I suggest giving it it's own thread, so it can recieve the proper attention?

-- adaMada