The SMC's Revised Plans For the French Front

[MrWhereItsAt]

That is a good point - we might take Paris straight away and have the French immediately offer terms. In this case we might achieve our objectives with the capture of only one or two cities -whatever those objectives are. It would suck if, whilst playing, I had to consult the citizens/Ministers about possible terms, and rely only on my own reported info, since probably few others would be playing at any turnchat, and furthermore I needed to leave my comp on until I got a response (but it could be done).

Question: Here's the situation;

I take one or two French cities, and we aren't over yet, but France offers a peace. If I refused, saved, and posted the save, would that then mean that a resumption of talks with them shows the same deals as before I refused? Or does the simple act of refusing peace invalidate that in some way? Otherwise I have to leave the game running and ask for adivce.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Shiber
Yes, we have horses. You can find the latest save in the executive reports thread. Download it and load it, if you can (you'll need version 1.21 to play properly).

I have a question for the SMC: do we have any clear goals for the French invasion?
I mean, it's obvious that we want wines and French cities and dames, as well as to cripple the French, but what exactly are our goals? Have you decided yet or are you still waiting to see how it all develops?
I'd like to suggest a list of general goals:

Primary Goals:
* Get Paris.
* Ensure a safe trade route between Paris and the rest of our territory (for trading wines), e.g. by sea through Rouen.

Secondary Goals:
* Get France's iron resource to cripple their military production (no iron = no medieval military units).
* Get France's most productive towns commerce-wise to cripple their entire economy.

Tertiary Goals:
* Get any other towns we can conquer quickly.
* Gain safe access to Abananaba Minor.

Comments please.

hi ,

good plan

have a nice day

[Shiber]

Thanks. Any comments Uber?

[Spiffor]

I think we don't need access to Abanaba minor for now. We could access it with our navy already (if we get French coastal cities), and this would be a tad faster than by road.

We can't get too many cities from this war (it's a rush, and we can't allow this war to be long). When suing for peace, we'd rather choose coastal cities + Notylopan cities, for the sake of territory cohesion.

We must not push ourselves too much, or we'd face a French counterattack (and probably French allies attacking us). We can't afford this if we want our swordsmen to attack America soon.

[MrWhereItsAt]

So basically Shiber's priorities are great, and the need to end the war quickly occurs just after the top priorities.

How much time can we afford to use in taking Paris? In the unlikely event it takes multiple terms to fall, how long do we think it will be safe to continue the war with a full-strength France?

[Torkkeli]

Originally posted by UberKruX
here are the "in border" manuevers.

The Paris stack (8 swordsmen) is moving on mountains. 100% bonus for defense makes them have a defense of 4, basically making any enemy swordsmen / horsemen pre-emptive attack nothing to worry about. The stack approaches Paris from the south, bypassing any river near Paris, taking the smallest amount of "in border" turns.

Ok this is clear to me!

BUT what happens if the French move any units south of Paris after we declare war but before we get the swordmen in place ( turn 12? ) ?

As then they block our way to Paris and are also standing on mountiains.

Should we just wait to them to attack or what?

[Shiber]

I guess we'll have to "step on the grass" then.
We'll be forced to move off the ridge and attack from a grass tile. That would really screw us up IMHO.

[Torkkeli]

Originally posted by Shiber
I guess we'll have to "step on the grass" then.
We'll be forced to move off the ridge and attack from a grass tile. That would really screw us up IMHO.

Exactly. Thats why we need a good backup plan for this. Maybe we could take another city instead? I haven't really looked into this so much that I don't know any alternatives.

[Shiber]

Paris is a very important goal. We'll get wines and we'll cripple France's economy and production significantly. We can't just give it up.
I think we should take the risk.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Shiber
I guess we'll have to "step on the grass" then.
We'll be forced to move off the ridge and attack from a grass tile. That would really screw us up IMHO.

hi ,

, more troops could do the trick

have a nice day

[Vlad Antlerkov]

It's a tad late to ask for more soldiers. We're on turn 7 of the war-prep plan now.

Then again, once we take Orleans, we can rush a couple of warriors, upgrade 'em, and schlepp 'em to Orleans via galley as reinforcements.

And I'd like to see if we can take Marseilles.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

, more troops could do the trick

have a nice day

That's undoable. We're already in turn 7 of the SMC's plan and if we send more swordsmen we'll delay the plan considerably. In the mean time the French could get Feudalism and upgrade their spearmen to pikemen and THEN we'll be screwed.
Besides, there are certain risks we must take. If we wanted to be absolutely sure about this we could have built a hundred swordsmen over time but this would completely cripple our economy and production.

Vlad: we'll probably have a resistor in Orleans meaning that we'll only be able to rush a warrior in the 2nd turn after taking Orleans, plus we'll need to connect Orleans to a trade network to have iron there and build barracks too so we could upgrade the warriors.
That doesn't really fit with our time frame...

[Vlad Antlerkov]

What about rushing in Termina now, then sending them to Orleans via galley after the preparations are done(actually what I proposed in the post you replied to-- I worded it wrong)?

Or does Termina not have barracks?

[Shiber]

Yes, that's possible. We're missing 22 shields for a swordsman. We could rush a swordsman next turn for the price of one citizen.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Shiber
Yes, that's possible. We're missing 22 shields for a swordsman. We could rush a swordsman next turn for the price of one citizen.

hi ,

, that is the kind of stuff we need to find more

say , what about intel , what are they building in their places , .....

still a good plan , but a couple more troops would do good , we could get a couple more , just in case , .....

have a nice day