New Government Proposal

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Octavian X
In Phoenatica, the legislative branch of the government is made up of the Congress, or ENITIRETY of the citizenry, and the senate, which is made up of provincial governors. We determine the number of active citizens during the presidential election. The total number of votes is considered the cencus of Phoenatica.

Just some hopefully helpful input.

Those are good ideas. But we should strive to fix our CoL, not get rid of it entirely and replace it. This is a powerful precedent of just getting rid of our temperment. Once we lose respect for our constitution, then it is worthless. This should be passed like an amendment or something to our present CoL, if anything is to be done at all.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Octavian X
We determine the number of active citizens during the presidential election. The total number of votes is considered the cencus of Phoenatica.

Just some hopefully helpful input.

Unfortunately, such a plan has some hidden perils on this site.

Much better would be a formal list of electors (=citizens) linked to the ability to vote on this one forum. MarkG has hinted it may be possible.

The tricky part from there would be editing the join thread/member list if that ever became necessary. I do not believe it is necessary based on the recently revealed Presidential election voter register, but it may become needed in the future.

[mtgillespie]

Originally posted by skywalker
The Legislature would be largely made up of the Citizens. The people who sign up and then never post or vote don't really count, in my mind. This just recognizes those who are active participants but not, under the current system, members of the government.

This is nonsense. You sign up as a citizen. You then have the right to post as little or as often as you choose. You can vote as little or as often as you choose. You can check the forum as little or as often. None of these things should in any way affect your rights as a citizen.

[DAVOUT]

Agree Gillespie, this is the basis of democracy ; all activities allowed are not compulsory. But this is also simply the good understanding of how people and community work efficiently. The guy posting 10 times a day is not sure to be more useful for the game that the citizen observing and studying for 3 months before posting a brilliant idea.

[Kuciwalker]

Look, it works for Phoenetica. And the system is broken. This gets rid of the deadwood.

[DAVOUT]

We are happy if Phoenetica is happy. But here, we are discussing of Apolytonia.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
We are happy if Phoenetica is happy. But here, we are discussing of Apolytonia.

oooohhhh....

[Kuciwalker]

DAVOUT - Phoenetica has already been through all of this. Why not save us the trouble and just do what they did?

[Togas]

Something to consider...

It is possible to change the laws in time for the new elections that are coming up. Otherwise, whatever changes we make would most likely take effect mid-September when the offices change again.

Is there enough public outcry with the current system to push forward IMMEDIATE CHANGES or will we be alright with taking a month or so to work out what is best for the nation?

--Togas

[Kuciwalker]

After the war with France, we need to stop and take a careful look at all of this.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by skywalker
DAVOUT - Phoenetica has already been through all of this. Why not save us the trouble and just do what they did?

Except a blind acceptance of your words, which you cannot expect, we will have to collect, inquire, compare, analyse then prepare a synthesis. We are not exactly here to make savings but rather to organize by ourself an empire. In your empire, the work is already done ; no more fun.

[Kuciwalker]

I'm not in Pheonetica. I'm suggesting we use what has been shown to work. Why reinvent the wheel?

[mtgillespie]

Originally posted by skywalker
Look, it works for Phoenetica. And the system is broken. This gets rid of the deadwood.

It's a nonsense. What possible effect will this have except to disenfranchise occasional voters/posters? You seem to be saying that if you're not posting a lot, and voting in every poll, your opinion is less valid. That's clearly nonsense.

[Kuciwalker]

I'm not saying your opinion is less valid. I'm saying that, to keep the game running smoothly, we need to be better organized. If you don't like using # of posts or something similar, then why not support the monthly confirmation post?

[jdjdjd]

Originally posted by mtgillespie


It's a nonsense. What possible effect will this have except to disenfranchise occasional voters/posters? You seem to be saying that if you're not posting a lot, and voting in every poll, your opinion is less valid. That's clearly nonsense.

Actually, we could use the number that vote in the Pres election as a census number, that way you don't have to post or vote in anything else, just vote in the pres election to count. And instead of using it for keeping people out or in, we could use it to create a quorum number to use in deciding when a vote of something is valid.

For example: We set a quorum at 75% of the number of voters.
50 people vote for president. If we want to have a change to constit or impeach someone, then you need more than 37.5 (38 in this case) to pass change. What else this quorum could be used for, I'm not sure.

As for the Legislature, as skywalker mentioned it can be replaced by just citizens, so we could leave out the whole section on Legislature.

The revisions would possibly be shorter than current, but once you tack on the code of laws, then its going to get pretty long itself. I would again suggest changing those sections of current CoL and leave the rest intact by amendment instead of throwing the whole thing out and starting over. Again, look how long it took to get Impeachment up to a vote, and its not too short....

(oh and only 18 people have voted after 1 full day, so don't foget to vote...if you don't like it then vote no, but just please vote).