OFFICIAL : tech acquisition project

[Spiffor]

Here is a tech-acquisition project for the year 750 B.C

The project says :
- buy Currency from the French for 278 gold + territory map
- sell Currency to the English for Construction + WM
- sell Construction to the Greeks for 174 gold + WM
- sell Literature to Germany for 31 gold + WM
- sell Polytheism to Russia for 17 gold + WM

Estimated treasury after the complete plan : 443 gold
Estimated treasury if we don't sell Literature and Polytheism : 395 gold

Question is : Do you agree with the suggested plan ?

Answers :
- YES, I support the plan as written
- YES, I suport the plan, but am against selling Literature and Polytheism
- NO, I want the plan to be held differently (please explain)
- NO, I am against this whole tech-acquiring project

This poll will follow the grouping procedure : the option which got the most votes within the majority group wins.

This poll will close in 3 days.

[OPD]

do it pimp daddy.

note:
currently have 499 gp
making 19gpt (although 2 of our core cities are 1 pop after settler builds and will grow soon.)

[Epistax]

I don't see why this is polled. Looks good to me.

[Apocalypse]

As the Minister of Science I find "YES, I support the plan as written" the best. We should sell techs. If not, they'll probably aquire them pretty soon anyway.

[Edrix]

A quick way to get to the Middle Ages, and a faster route to knights? By all means, execute this plan.

[Ninot]

you gotta realise tho, that even tho we are getting ourselves closer to Pikemen and Knights, France will be getting there soon enough as the AI trades around.

War wont be easier.

[Spiffor]

France is medieval already. I doubt anybody will discover feudalism within the next 10 turns : the AI needed 26 turns to discover currency.

[Ninot]

am i to understand civs like Greece (scientific ones) got Monotheism instead of Fuedalism?

we wouldnt know, but is it the way its coded?

cuz.. if Greece got Fuedalism, theres a VERY good chance France has it.

[Spiffor]

AFAIK, scientific civs always free-discover monotheism and nationalism. Now, maybe I'm wrong, I didn't play scientific for a long time.

[Ninot]

well, my experiance is mixed. in most of my games, Greece reaches mid-evil era quickest, and usually get Monotheism

but i think i remember Germany getting their first once and getting fuedalism.

But in any case, i think we should heavily ponder the possibility of Pikemen in Paris.

[Panag]

hi ,

second option

have a nice day

[Shiber]

Originally posted by Spiffor
AFAIK, scientific civs always free-discover monotheism and nationalism. Now, maybe I'm wrong, I didn't play scientific for a long time.

I free-discovered feudalism with France twice.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Now wait a second, I am thoroughly confused. There's a poll that has started a discussion on clarifying what is meant by not playing ahead. In it, it is proposed that we should allow "playing ahead", at least as far as checking out what other civs will pay for techs etc. But this is what I thought the bulk of the FAM's job was, and my thought seems to be confirmed here. So, is this considered bad form or WHAT??!? The first post was from skywalker, and the idea that this is NOT allowed is followed up by UnOrthO and NYE, which gives me much pause for thought on what actually happens.

Look at this:

Originally posted by skywalker
For the purpose of determining trades, we let people (we may limit this to certain ministers) "play ahead". There would be special conditions on this: you could NOT end turn, move units, or do trades involving maps or communications.

This suggests to me that this sort of thing HASN'T been allowed until now, not even to the FAM. It is possible skywalker was confused, but then;

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Don't like it.

Any form of playing ahead is cheating IMO. What if they discovered a trade that is widely approved would not work? Saving us loads of cash in the process. That = unfair advanage = cheating.

and

Originally posted by notyoueither
Not a good idea.

The benefit of tech whoring is what can be gained. Massive sometimes.

The risk is that you will not get what you want and your opponents will be stronger.

It is a game. It must have risk, otherwise why don't we use reload cheating to avoid unfavourable results when we attack?

Now one person I could understand being confused, but all three? And no-one correcting them? What is going on here? Is the FAM allowed to check to see what trades Civs are willing to make or not? And if not, WTF did those specific prices at the top of this thread come from?


How did someone manage to confuse only me this much?!?!

[Apocalypse]

I'm pretty sure Spiffor listed those prices in another thread and said they were estimates, thus implying that he didn't know for sure.

[adaMada]

Yea, Spiffor's guessing, but everyone likes his guesses, so... . We may end up spending more money then this to get what we want... on the other hand, we may be able to spend less, and gain more, so . There's a degree of risk, but that's what the game's about.
-- adaMada