Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

What if America falls?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • What if America falls?

    America currently has two cities. One is Boston, their capital, with two population and some nice and diverse land around it. The other is Chicago, which is surrounded by green hills and mountains and is located near a large deposit of spice. It is also just half a dozen tiles away from Ivory coast.
    Both are in the vicinity of a river which allows them to grow beyond 6 without an aqueduct. Both are very appealing. Both are very lightly defended.
    Now, I assume that the Americans have one spearman stationed at each city, two to the most. If Germany, Greece or the Aztecs decide to capture their cities, which they most likely will as I suspect they can't resist the temptation long enough (especially Germany), they would win them quickly and for a very low cost. Therefore I believe we should be the ones to capture America's last cities rather than let it fall to the hands of the AIs!
    IMHO we should send out our old archer/spearmen stack to America once more and finish the job. Think about it: though we'll have borders with the Aztecs and the Greek, as well as new borders with Germany, we should be able to protect these two cities if we leave a spearman and three archers in each city (the archers can counter any AI attacks from within the city and can later be upgraded to longbow men) and perhaps reinforce Chicago with another spearman. Or just to be sure we can have one swordsman accompany the stack and fortify in one of the cities.

    Allow me to analyze my proposal:
    In brief: we attack Boston and Chicago with our famous archers/spearmen stack and once we win (which is the likely result) we can leave half the task force at Boston and the other half at Chicago to guard those cities from the AIs.
    Pros:
    * We'll make use of our archers/spearmen stack before the archers become too obsolete.
    * We'll win two cities for a very low price.
    * We'll acquire spice and get access to Ivory Coast.
    Cons:
    * We'll create new borders with Greece, Aztecs and Germany.
    * We'll annoy the world for eliminating a civ (not so sure about this).

    Any thoughts? Suggestions?

    Note: this campaign should not replace our plans to conquer French territory, though I wouldn't recommend taking this proposal if we're going to attack Germany with the rest of our swordsmen as well.
    Last edited by Shiber; August 2, 2002, 10:53.
    "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
    And the truth isn't what you want to see,
    Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
    - Phantom of the Opera

  • #2
    Moving against America before our 20-turn peace treaty is up would seriously damage our reputation, critically impairing our future diplomacy and trading capability. I realize America is vulnerable right now. But IMO, we have to wait, and hope Abe survives.
    aka, Unique Unit
    Wielder of Weapons of Mass Distraction

    Comment


    • #3
      By the time our forces reach America the 20-turn peace treaty would be over. I was counting on it.
      As for Abe's chances of survival, they seem very slim. I'd bet his military force consists of no more than 2-3 spearmen. He can't possibly withstand an attack.
      "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
      And the truth isn't what you want to see,
      Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
      - Phantom of the Opera

      Comment


      • #4
        Don't forget we're still in the REX phase : Greece, Germany and America are interested in Ivory coast above all.
        Plus America has at least 1 archer and 2 warriors you didn't take into account. I don't think the AI will declare war to them within the next 20 turns. We're the only ones to build swordsmen instead of settlers.
        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

        Comment


        • #5
          You are right, I completely forgot about the archer and the two warriors.
          The rest of your arguments are convincing as well. I'm dropping the proposal.
          "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
          And the truth isn't what you want to see,
          Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
          - Phantom of the Opera

          Comment


          • #6
            Don't under estimate the American army. He has at least two archers, likely more now that he fears us. We saw those archers right when we made peace. If you have an old save, look it up 925 or so. Let America get a few more cities placed as holders for us. Maybe we could persuade abe to settle further North? Just to save our place.
            One who has a surplus of the unorthodox shall attain surpassing victories. - Sun Pin
            You're wierd. - Krill

            An UnOrthOdOx Hobby

            Comment


            • #7
              I agree that we should attack America ASAP-- but not before P! We must wait out the turns. Incense valley will prove most important (as well as the land around it), and anyone but the Americans owning it would be a terrible loss to us. I do not think we should let up on the French effort (not persia! grr) for a quick city grab, but instead upgrade some of our many defending warriors to tackle america, replacing them with real defense, spearmen.

              Comment


              • #8
                America will have 1, if not 2 more cities before we attack it again, which would mean a slighty longer war. We need to wait and see after France and the reactions of all our neighbors to our new power before we start makig any more plans.
                If you don't like reality, change it! me
                "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

                Comment


                • #9
                  I'd be content with burning a path to incense valley. I don't care about fringe cities of no concern. The Germans or Greece will pick those off in due course (and seem to enjoy razing).

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
                    He has at least two archers, likely more now that he fears us.
                    I know. I started watching the game as a lurker when you began the war.
                    Last edited by Shiber; August 2, 2002, 18:33.
                    "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
                    And the truth isn't what you want to see,
                    Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
                    - Phantom of the Opera

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Incense Valley is a must. Not just for the incense, but because it will also give us a prime staging ground for any offensives into Greece.
                      Last edited by Kuciwalker; August 2, 2002, 20:50.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I doubt they will fall, unless it is by our own hand.
                        "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
                        - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Depends if any of the other civs take their heads out of REX for a second and build any offensive military units... I wouldn't count on them being around much longer, but I think we can probably wait until the twenty turns are over.

                          -- adaMada
                          Last edited by adaMada; August 2, 2002, 18:39.
                          Civ 3 Democracy Game:
                          PTW Game: Proud member of the Roleplay Team, and Ambassador to Glory of War
                          Intersite PTW Game: Member of Apolyton

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Uber says the Germans are/were fighting with the Persians. He saw a German unit fight a Persian unit, take damage but win.
                            I don't think the Germans would attack America at this point though. They'll be too busy with the Persians. Even if their war is over (which is unlikely since they're both aggressive civs and AFAIK such civs would rather see the other party propose a peace treaty) they are still not ready for another offensive.
                            "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
                            And the truth isn't what you want to see,
                            Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
                            - Phantom of the Opera

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Okay, so it seems very unlikely that the Germans will attack America -- yet, what if they did? How could we react? If anyone has a copy of the save game up, do we have any military units in the area that could be used should we need to declare war on America fast to get a peace of the pie before there's none left? How much would it hurt our other plans to leave an archer or two up there? Even understanding that we don't think the Germans will attack America, it's better to have some plans we can reference back to should that happen...

                              -- adaMada
                              Civ 3 Democracy Game:
                              PTW Game: Proud member of the Roleplay Team, and Ambassador to Glory of War
                              Intersite PTW Game: Member of Apolyton

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X