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  • Ubergorsk: a grim scenario

    I fear the worst for Ubergorsk. Unless we take some radical steps it should soon fall to the hands of the Persians.
    Persia is very prune to attack Ubergorks since it is a very aggressive civilization (4 out of 5 aggression points) and it depends on iron to build its UU (AFAIK a civilization is more likely to attack another civ if that civ possesses a resource which is required for the production of the attacking civ's UU). I'm afraid that if Persia attacks us we will have very little hope of defending Ubergorsk.

    Therefore I think it should be one of our primary goals to turn Ubergorsk from a weak point to our stronghold in the Northeast. There are several ways to accomplish this:

    * Transfer as many garrison units as quickly as possible to Ubergorsk.
    * Build a wall around Ubergorsk or send many workers to join Ubergorsk and give it 6 population points which will create the same defensive effect (only if we're desperate).
    * Give in to any reasonable demands made by Persia. I'd hate to sound cowardly but I am positive that the Persians will declare war if they make a demand and it is not met by us, and a war against Persian immortals is the last thing we need right now (remember: we still rely heavily on archers as our assault force).
    * Finally, raze it if we find ourselves in a war with Persia and it seems likely that they win it the next turn. We could guard the area with a strong garrison force until we can bring a new settler.

    P.S. We might wanna get a new government type quickly, start a revolution and money-rush a wall and/or some garrison units since the Persians are likely to attack soon. Luckily we don't have to bother about anarchy since we're a religious civ.

    --Edit--
    Another thought: if we establish a trade route with Persia and commence in trade and/or sign a military alliance against one of our neighbors (IMHO they're more likely to agree to attack France) the Persians will probably postpone their plans to invade Ubergorsk..
    Last edited by Shiber; August 1, 2002, 11:11.
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  • #2
    Couldn't we convince them to fight someone else right now? I'm pretty sure there's some Civ they are close to that doesn't border us.
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    • #3
      Without Iron, they can't build Immortals. Without Immortals, the Persians will not be as much of a threat. But I agree about the need for a strong defense. I would send over another spearmen, just in case. Still, the threat exists, and must be examined carefully. Also, the Persians are annoyed with us right now, not a good omen.

      edit: we could tried to get the Persians and English to fight each other, but that should be a last resort. The English will help the Germans keep the Aztecs contained.
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      • #4
        Yeah, the Brits.

        Then again, as they're annoyed with us (according to the latest reports), we may have some trouble convincing them.

        I, for one, would like to also try and secure further iron sources if Ubergorsk proves vulnerable. Don't the Americans have iron in or near their territory?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Donal Graeme
          Without Iron, they can't build Immortals. Without Immortals, the Persians will not be as much of a threat.
          That doesn't change the fact that they're 2nd in the historiograph...
          AFAIK no civilization possesses any swordsmen or UUs based on swordsmen at the moment, but an assault wave of Persian archers is a threat to consider, esp. because the Persians have a large empire and muchos populations so a 2nd wave is likely to follow.
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          • #6
            The Persians do have, or will soon have, access to other sources of iron. (I don't know if this makes the Persian AI less aggressive.)
            In any event, we do need some build up here.
            Is it worth considering a Machiavellian ploy, namely, setting up an embassy and preparing for a possible military alliance against Persia? Who would make a likely ally? England? How much would it cost, and could we afford it? It seems to me we can probably handle the Persians, at this point. But if the Germans take advantage of the situation, and also declare war against us (they always seem to be doing things like this, in my games), then we'd be in serious $H!T. Call it Case Seriously Blue.
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            • #7
              If the Germans decide to try and stab us in the back, I say we get an embassy with the Aztecs and arrange a military alliance against the Germans. But hopefully this will not need be, and a large scale war doesn't come to pass.
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              • #8
                An alliance _against_ Persia is not such a good idea. After all, we are trying to avoid a war with Persia, not start one, and if we ally against Persia then surely they'll hit Ubergorsk first (it's reasonable to assume that the AI's top priorities during wartime include robbing the enemy of its resources).
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shiber
                  An alliance _against_ Persia is not such a good idea. After all, we are trying to avoid a war with Persia
                  Absolutely right. I should clarify: this would be a contingency plan to handle the situation if and when Persia declares war.
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                  • #10
                    I think we should prebuild 10 shields and poprush a temple.

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                    • #11
                      The persians have access to other sourses of iron. Once they have the resourse, they will not be too likely to attack. But yes, a good defence never does hurt. Perhaps some walls along with 3 defence units.....
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                      • #12
                        IMO A temple would be more valuable than city walls defensively. Just get that pop up to 6, get mil units there. A good show of strength is in order.
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                        • #13
                          I'm starting to think an alliance with Germany against Persia would be the best way to go. If we act fast enough we knock out theyre ironbefore its connected (as of now I believe its not even withing their borders, just outside) and cripple their civilization so its no longer a threat.
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                          • #14
                            Alliance against france?

                            This really is a dilly of a pickle.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pythagoras
                              IMO A temple would be more valuable than city walls defensively. Just get that pop up to 6, get mil units there. A good show of strength is in order.
                              This would take too many turns, unless we increase the population artificially by settling workers into Ubergorsk (which would mean we'll lose 5 workers).
                              IMHO it would be best to build a temple while we send more units to guard Ubergorsk.
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