Protest

[DAVOUT]

Plan Gold, as it as been approved does not provide for the building of galleys. Nevertheless a galley, the first of how many - nobody knows -, is under construction in Termina. I understand that galleys have been chosen for the fun (Uber dixit), but IMHO it is not enough to justify all the risks and costs associated with sea transport, without a clear approval by the people.

[Harovan]

A galley has nothing to do with Plan Gold. It can as well be used for exploration (which would be about time!), for instance for Uber island. Maybe we find good land there? And the corruption will also be low.

[DAVOUT]

I may be wrong but I am under the impression that no formal plan for exploration has been approved yet. It is why I refer to Plan Gold. I am glad that galleys have nothing to do with it.

[Robber Baron]

It's also worth pointing out that we are not building a galley for exploration merely for "fun." We want to chance a crossing to explore the landmass to our south -- there may well be resources to be had, or early communication with uncontacted civs (a huge advantage at the bargaining table). This is a strategic project, with minimal (initial) investment, and a potentially huge payoff.

[Papa Chubby]

We could also use Galleys to land an attack force inside of France. This would mean we could take the french city close to the sea, has alot of grassland surrounding it, I thinkg it is called Orleans. As to the dangers of Galleys transporting, they are next to nothing. The AI, to my experience rarely launches an attack on one of your galleys with one of its own, and even if it did, the chances are 50% of winning. The danger of the Galley sinking is zero, since we would simply be hugging the coast line. The only real downside, is the amount of resourcess we would have to devote to the task of building a fleet of a stature that could transport a stack, probably 3 to 4 galleys.

[Robber Baron]

Originally posted by Papa Chubby
As to the dangers of Galleys transporting, they are next to nothing. The AI, to my experience rarely launches an attack on one of your galleys with one of its own

True. But then, there is the possibility a barbarian galley would take us on. They do pop up, and always attack when they can.
Still, the risk is worth transporting troops, if it gives us a tactical edge.

[DAVOUT]

Papa Chubby,

There is no such plan, and nevertheless we are building galley(s). I can only conclude that the executive branch has his own and secret list of priorities.
50% chances of loosing during transport is exactly what I qualify unacceptable unless we can't stricty do otherwise. And you have also to consider the barbarian galleys.

[OPD]

I thought we were building galleys to transport units to the mountains near Paris so that we could take a direct line through mountains to Paris w/o risk of being attacked.

[DAVOUT]

This would have been an important feature of the plan, costing shields and time, and must have been mentionned in the poll. But apparently, the galley currently build is for exploratory purpose only.

[Kuciwalker]

Actually, I created a petition for the building of a Galley, and it got enough support that apparently the Government is actually building one.

[Spiffor]

These galleys will serve an exploratory purpose, once their military usefulness is over : we are to disembark troops on French shores to attack Orleans and Paris with 2 separate stacks during the same turn. This strategy has been designed by Uber, and has several merits :
- Our troops to Paris (probalby swordsmen) will come quickly to French shores. They'll move on mountains then, having a +100% defense. They'll attack Paris without suffering from the river
- We'll have a separate stack at Orleans (possibly archers). This way, we'll be able to win 2 cities in a row, without risking a counterstarke. We'll be able to sue for immediate peace, before the French really prepare for a fight.
- the Galleys (2 must be built) will have an exploratory mission as soon as our troops are disembarked. They'll look for new lands to settle, and new riches to grab.

Overall, I think these 2 galleys are not waste, on the contrary.

[DAVOUT]

I am lost ; there is a Plan Gold duly approved which will not be executed (just for ennemy disinformtion probably), and another anonymous plan intending to attack Paris with 4 units, or more if the galleys go back and forth between Termina and the landing site.
I can imagine the next headline of the Gazette : People no longer kept informed of military plans !

[UnOrthOdOx]

You write it, I'll print it.

However, for your convenience: This is the SMC plan. See how galleys drop off 4 Swords to march directly to Paris, assuring us that Paris is the first target.

Plan Gold, like case (insert color) is largely a production plan to assemble the army, not the tactics of how the army is to be used. It basically states building warriors and mass upgrading. The bits about tactics are discussion, not the actual plan. The plan will likely change to fit the stituation 20 turns from now. I hope that this clears up any of your confusion.

PS, I propose we call the SMC plan "Uber's Maneuver" from here on...

[Trevman]

I don't see the point of building an expensive galley now to only transport two units. That's all I have to say.

[Robber Baron]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
I propose we call the SMC plan "Uber's Maneuver" from here on...

Or "Uber-neuver," for short.