Unoffical Poll: turnchat times that suit YOU! (Last try)

[Nikolai]

During school, turn chats somewhere between 1600 to 1900 GMT suits best. Now that it's summer vacation, it's harder to say.

[OPD]

Does the Pres have any weekend comitments ?

How would 1 or 2 turn chats during the week which are US friendly and 1 turn chat at the week end which is more EU friendly (perhaps 5pm in England and 12pm in US) suit people?

Unless I'm mistaken weekends for the US would be the same as summer holidays?

Also why won't the Minister of economy be a minister next term?

IMO, as much as I'd hate to admit it, maximum US participation is essential.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by OPD
How would 1 or 2 turn chats during the week which are US friendly and 1 turn chat at the week end which is more EU friendly (perhaps 5pm in England and 12pm in US) suit people?

The problem, again, is that neither the President nor the Vice-President is outside of NA.

Also why won't the Minister of economy be a minister next term?

He's already been a minister for 2 terms.

IMO, as much as I'd hate to admit it, maximum US participation is essential.

Yep. About 2/3 of the people here are from NA (via a poll). Without them things wouldn't work quite right.

[OPD]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Trip

The problem, again, is that neither the President nor the Vice-President is outside of NA.

how about a 4pm chant at weekends then? rather than 12pm.

[kring]

The time shouldn't be dependent on the President; the President shouldn't run, or any other official, if they can't make most of the turnchats. Otherwise, you could have a President that is on some freaky schedule that would be bad for most of the rest of the citizens and be stuck with it.

The goal should be to have it when the largest number of people can be involved. The current time prevents a large number from actively participating due to work schedules. I know why the time was chosen, but it didn't factor most people into the equation.

A good solution would be to find a couple of different times to have to maximize the number of participants. Which would include a big enough time difference to accomodate non NA/SA citizens in at least one, yet also have at least one that accomodated most NA/SA.

[Jon Shafer]

You hit the nail on the head there kring. If you're not going to be available, then you shouldn't run.

Originally posted by OPD
how about a 4pm chant at weekends then? rather than 12pm.

I'm not going to be running for anything anymore, so I couldn't say if that's good for NA people who want positions or not. However, I'm 2 hours behind EST, so it's even earlier here than it is in the east. 10am is harsh for me.

Yes yes Mwia, I know, I know.

[Kramerman]

i dont care when they're at. My schedual is so damn random. Ill probably never be able to participate. Oh well, as long as i am loud in the forum, then I feel i am representing myself plenty.

Kman

[Harovan]

I voted 19:00 GMT, 20:00 GMT, 21:00 GMT, 22:00 GMT. But my opinion doesn't matter too, as I won't run for an office again.

[mtgillespie]

Originally posted by Trip
You hit the nail on the head there kring. If you're not going to be available, then you shouldn't run.

There is also the problem of the "chicken and egg" situation. Are the turnchats decided by the officials, or do the officials decide the turnchats. At the moment, i'm betting some people don't run for office because they can't make the turnchat times. But if that is the criteria, the times will never change, and these people will be forever excluded. I think we need a bit more flexibility. I realise that the majority of citizens are fom North America, and therefore have to be the main group, but i also believe weekends should give enough flexibility to cater for the rest of the world.

I make these points as someone who doesn't have time to make the chats whenever they are, so feel free to disregard me!

[MrWhereItsAt]

And with so many current Ministers wanting to retire after this term, it is imperative those who want to participate, can do so.

Unless we end up changing the turnchats after this poll and others, for the next elections a major part of the candidates' posts will be whether they can turn up to the current time for turnchats or not, and if not, when they can be available for them.

[notyoueither]

MWIA. How would you reconcile the Euros with you Oceanauts?

If a compromise there could be found, then maybe the people of the Americas could accomodate for the week end chat.

The week day chat has a very narrow window. After work/school and before an ungodly hour for the 80 percent of the game that are in the Americas. Sorry.

Hey, cheer up. I can't make any of the week day chats either due to work. And I always seem to miss the week end ones as well (I lose track of them).

[Harovan]

Time to part with the current turnchat system. On the long run it is inapplicable anyway. Imagine, we have 50 or more units to move in every turn. The chaos in the chatroom reporting, replaying and discussing all these moves makes me shiver.

And it's time to give power to the president. The ministers shall do their best to make polls and clear decisions, and they shall post detailed instructions in a thread in order to prepare the presidental session. The president shall play to a point, where he needs new instructions, or till something unforeseen happens (like a declaration of war), without a turnchat. We should define a maximal # of turns, for instance 5 or 6, if nothing happens. After this, the president shall post the current save and a detailed report. And the whole process starts again.

This would make it possible for everyone to participate, regardless of the time zone.

If this game turns into a pure American one, with all other nations condemned to be only viewers, I will abandon this game at all.

[notyoueither]

That is where it is headed Sir Ralph. At a certain point, possibly long ago, we should leave the President to play the game.

I don't see how the minority that can make turn chats can accurately represent us all. Thus any of those 'insta-polls' are as valid as the one that proclaimed Dewey a winner over Truman.

[Spiffor]

I still prefer turnthreads over having a superpowerful prez :
Ministers are here to take care of all micromanagement in their specific field, to avoid any waste. For example, the FAM will visit all foreigners each turn, to see if some deals are workable. The prez, who has also to do the city planning, move the units, do the administrative stuff etc. cannot give so much attention to detail by himself, except if he'ss willing to play an hour per turn.

Many "unexpected" things happen each turn. For example, it was predictable that Currency and construction would be discovered by the AI (thus, the FAM could have given plans in advance). But what was less predictable, is that France and Persia have them, and we can do a specific techwhoring.
It's possible the prez, who has too much to do, wouldn't visit foreigners every turn, and would miss such an occasion.


Edit : NYE, Instapolls are not always valid, because they're rushed and sometimes biased... But when you see an overwhelming majority in an instapoll, it's reasonable to think a majority would exist in the forum (all instapolls I've suggested, and most I've seen won by a landslide IIRC)
I think turnchats are doomed very soon. But I think turnthreads are the best thing to do once turnchats became completely unpracticable : ministers will give all their precise orders, without the Prez having to think of every situation (it will also solve the timezone problem)
I know turnthreads are more boring than turnchats, but no turnchat at all will be more boring, and less efficient.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Well NYE, I think the one stick in the works from my side of the world is me. Honestly, what other Kiwis/Aussies/SE Asians have you seen complaining openly here?

If there are any other Non-Euros and Non-Americans here, please post and tell us about YOUR needs.

And as far as trying to top MY whining goes, the current time is near a good time. An hour later and I could make the last half, an hour earlier even would be fine (I wouldn't mind getting up at 6:30 here if it meant I could attend a turnchat, in fact this may be GOOD for me ). Two hours later is ideal, but perhaps not as good in Europe. As it is the turnchat is at 8am, just as we all head off to Uni/work.

There seems to be a lot of voters for times ranging from just before the current 2100 BST (is that 2000 GMT now?) to soon after. Great. Any of these times but the current one is better.

And as much as I disliked the turnchat idea at its inception, I have to say that it seems to have had some great effectiveness in getting some involved to a larger degree than might otherwise happen. After reading Spiffor's post, I agree that we should try to find a way to keep turnchats, yet it will soon become necessary for us to let the Prez do some things without so much discussion at the time (I don't of course know whether this still happens in the chats).