Our Impossible Challenge (War Academy)

[OPD]

Re: Our Impossible Challenge (War Academy)

Originally posted by The Dark Lord

We are less than half the size of most nations.
We have the worst starting position in all the world. I have NEVER seen one worse. We are in a vast jungle in the center of a continent with all but four of the civs.

I agree that the situation looks very bad but this is a good thing as now it will be a real challenge for us. One thing we have going for us is that our closest neighbours aren't very strong in the early ages and don't have early UU. If or when we take US and France we will be in a great position. It's worth remembering that although the other civs have more cities they will mostly be 1 pop cities w/o any culture. With the inferior AI millitary stratergy victory is possible.

A good start and easy win would be boring.

Through struggle and Hardship we can achieve greatness.

[Robber Baron]

Originally posted by Edrix


That's true. I suppose we could just keep pushing into France until they're gone, but we'd lose out on some benefits.

We would true. But IMO we need to be scrupulous about preserving our reputation, because looking at this map, our survival hinges on our ability to make alliances, play powers off against each other, secure ROPs to keep balances of power in certain regions close to level ....

[The Dark Lord]

Spiffor: I am quite aware they will probably be less advanced than us...however strange that may seem at the moment! I merely included that sentence for use as a reference to Zulus with Cruise Missiles and to remind us that there IS another world out there.

MWIA: We could always use a leader to do a palace jump... but that, of course, is risky.

[MrWhereItsAt]

True - but we still can only have the Palace in one place at once, and an FP. Either one place or the other would be productive, and we'd be pretty foolish, or looking at some pretty interesting situations if we want to move our palace from what should be our most developed spot to our least developed.

[UnOrthOdOx]

MrWIA, I can see your point, but should we not be looking to move our palace, and therefore not build entirely everything we can on the peninsula? We could see from day one that the palace needed to be moved in the future. We should look at our current homeland as a temporary base of operations, not the future center. With a FP somewhere near Washington, the cities on the peninsula will retain at least SOME value and not be entirely corrupt. A palace jump to the center of the southern portion somewhere down the road would prove to be most beneficial in the long run. It is all a question of timing. We should attempt to retain as much infrastructure as possible when taking those cities to ease the move as well.

[Aggie]

All these plans are very good and I am impressed. Though I think we need to plan carefully to ensure our domination of this part of the continent. We will as all agree take out france. We should do this without help from greece since any cities they get will be cities we won't. The next move should be war with greece, once we get knights, also during this time we expand to cover more area and increase production. This ends when we are stong enough to send our legions of knights to crush the greeks. Remember all, our great strength is than unlike the AI we plan ahead and can concentrate forces to give us local superiority. Then we are secure and safe. Then we can consider other areas of expansion, though that southern idea is brave and bold, but of course we would need a fp their.
Aggie

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
MrWIA, I can see your point, but should we not be looking to move our palace, and therefore not build entirely everything we can on the peninsula? We could see from day one that the palace needed to be moved in the future. We should look at our current homeland as a temporary base of operations, not the future center. With a FP somewhere near Washington, the cities on the peninsula will retain at least SOME value and not be entirely corrupt. A palace jump to the center of the southern portion somewhere down the road would prove to be most beneficial in the long run. It is all a question of timing. We should attempt to retain as much infrastructure as possible when taking those cities to ease the move as well.

I pretty much agree with this. I have stated elsewhere that I think the best thing we can do is push through America (in other words conquer them) and then switch from war production to settler production. To the NW of America there is a valley full of incense, further west of that is a large open grassland where we should plop our settlers before the Greeks can, and then north of the incence valley is a buttload of hills with gold. There is also iron in that area if we need it. We should move to practically 'abandon' our crappy ass starting location. By moving our palace into a more central location, if we chose to expand NW or in any direction really, then it would significantly cut down on corruption

Kman

[Chieftess]

Originally posted by DuckOfFlanders
I think we will pull trough eventually.A good democracy game rulership can do wonders.

Once ,in an other civIII demo game there was an event later named "the domino wars" ,where the played civ had gotten a decleration of war from every other civ in a few turn's at one point in history. (about 2000bc i think)
Weak and in war 12 enemy's (from wich 9 stronger than the played civ) the future of that nation was at risk.But eventually ,with much heroisity the nation prevailed ,and it became one of the most mythical story's of the demo games.

Afcourse... they played persian's ,and aquired iron in time....
I have always been a suicidal warmonger ,so i say SMASH THEM ,EXTERMINATE THEM ALL THOSE AI SUCKERS!!

Traitor. I see you abonded the very Demogame modship you're talking about. We were wondering were you went. CFC is not going to be happy about this.... (j/k!) (just play along...)

And it was 11 other civs, 1 which we didn't find until much later.


'Poly's starting location on the other hand... maybe.

BTW, we DID have the best antiquity UU, which even defeated a few infantryman late in the game! (1 producing a GL). It might be tough with War Chariots....

[wervdon]

This is just my opinion from looking at the world map, but I think we'd be better off if we conquered america, germany, and the aztecs and left the french and other semi-peaceful civs alone until that was accomplished.

If we do it the other way, there is a very real risk of either the germans or aztecs stabbing us in our northern rears after we take america.

Not to mention that would give us a pretty decent core for an empire with only the english and persians east of us, and the greeks/french on the west.

If we go after the peaceful civs and ignore the warlike ones though, the chances are very high we'll be fighting a war on at least 2 fronts at some point before we are ready.

[DAVOUT]

Dont you think that the Greeks could also be a serious nuisance ?

[Kuciwalker]

The point is that they'll be a nuisance to the FRENCH instead of us.

[wervdon]

Its most probable the greeks will be a nuisance, but do you think we'd have alot of luck trying to defeat their hoplites in the ancient era?

[The Dark Lord]

Agh. The Dark Lord thinks that we should not allow the Greeks on to the territory that Lord Banana has promised us. They will only take away from what we need.