OFFICIAL Petition for the Mods re Presidential Election

[kring]

There is no reason to vote yes.

I have already, along with a number of people, stated a number of valid reasons to vote no. Timeline makes a great point.

[Switch]

Originally posted by DAVOUT


I am afraid this is not true ; I know at least one democracy where the list of all voters, indicating whether they have voted or no, can be consulted by anybody after the vote. This is required for further controls by any individual or political party interested.

You are correct. Hasn't anyone seen the Simpson's episode where they look at the voters and see that dead people, even pets, voted? Now, this isn't my argument, but showing the list will help reveal if anyone ineligible voted. And were this Australia, it would be like puting out a list of people alive and over legal age.

Now don't say "But this isn't Australia, so your point is moot," because this isn't ANY country. We get to make our own rules, so this isn't going against any "secret ballot" rule: we have none. There is nothing saying that the votes cast by citizens are secret. And since it is thought that non-citizens voted, we should see who actually voted.

And, as is usual with most of my rants and speaches, I ask you kindly to please ignore my blithering.

[Apocalypse]

No. There is little point and my favorite Greek terrorist has better things to do.

[kring]

I have no problem with an election commission review.

On your other point, as you pointed out, there are few rules, none of which includes who can/cannot vote in the elections. Which is weird considering the point was made before the game started, but I digress.

The expectation was a secret ballot. As noted, I said in a true democracy, which there aren't many. America is not a true democracy BTW. It is a mix of Republic/Democracy/headed towards Natl. Socialism.

Edit 2:

A point I made earlier that has been missed is the requests to state your vote after you vote. This has been made mention of in several different threads. State your vote. If we are going to do that, then what is the point of adding a poll. As I have noted, this will drive away more voters as well.

But since the comments have been brought up in several places, let's make an official poll:

Require people state how they voted in all future polls? Or Run Polls by the response people give in their posts (no polls needed)?

Yes/No/Abstain.

I am not being sarcastic. Since this is a democracy, if most people want it this way, let's do it this way. In which case, the list would be needed showing who voted and how. If most people don't, then let's not ask them to.

[notyoueither]

I voted yes.

I would very much like to know how many of the non citizens were completely new to Apolyton, and how many were older members who perhaps thought it was a good joke to have the election tied for 3 days.

[Aro]

I voted Yes. The list will be made public and the ballots not.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Heh.

True the US is not a true Democracy, it is a Democratic Republic, but niether is what we have here a true Democracy. Seeing WHO voted, but not WHAT they voted would preserve the secret nature of the ballot, but to what end would it serve? I think that if we start closing the polls to certain people, we would create less interest and less participation.

[notyoueither]

I think we must close the polls to non members. A minimum of effort should be required. Simply post "join" in the proper thread.

Aside from that, we are having absolutely no problem with participation increasing between elections. Are you suggesting we print brochures...

"Visit Apolytonia, We Let You Vote!"

I agree, it would be good for tourism.

[kring]

nye, IRL anyway, some people wait until the last minute to vote, for any number of reasons (some would apply here, some wouldn't; some that wouldn't apply IRL would apply here as well).

I would like to see the energy used here channel into making an amendment that addresses the issue of voting (deja vu): who can/can't, time limits for registering if any. That would be a more productive use of our time in the long run.

Something like this is a good starting point of discussion:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=56053 hope that worked.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by kring
nye, IRL anyway, some people wait until the last minute to vote, for any number of reasons (some would apply here, some wouldn't; some that wouldn't apply IRL would apply here as well).

I would like to see the energy used here channel into making an amendment that addresses the issue of voting (deja vu): who can/can't, time limits for registering if any. That would be a more productive use of our time in the long run.

Something like this is a good starting point of discussion:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=56053 hope that worked.

I still see now reason to vote yes. We will find out who voted, of course, but why do we need that information? Only Markos needs it, he can tell us things. Or Ming.

[trevor]

I voted yea because it dosen't hurt the security of the ballot, and it does not, I repeat, DOES NOT set a president for releasing the voter names. I too would like to know how many non-citizens voted in this election.

[ManicStarSeed]

By all means....

I would like to know whether non-citizens have been voting or not.

Mss

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by ManicStarSeed
By all means....

I would like to know whether non-citizens have been voting or not.

Mss

Can't Markos just tell us how many non-citizens voted? Didn't he already?

[Papa Chubby]

Yes he has, but people want to know who voted. I concur with Tass and Kring that there is essentially no reason to reveal the list, but it does no damage either. As for the part about the next step being easier, well that might be true from an emotional point if view, but not neccessarilly from an intellectual standpoint. We will still have to make a conscious choice to make votes public. And, why should it discourage people from voting, because other people know that they are voting, don´t quite see the problem with that.

[disorganizer]

could we not just publish a list of citizens who voted? without what they voted? we could then have the mods subtract all non-citizen votes from the result to have the "cleaned" result.
also, we should put on hold membership for non-voters, thowing them out completely if they did not vote for 2 consecutive presidential elections.