OFFICIAL ammendment poll: Ratification of the Apolytonian Court

[Aggie]

This seems like a very solid amendment, and I am glad to support it. I am glad to see that impeachment was taken out. It was a good idea to do that, since now there is no danger of a good amendment being shot down over one issue. and we can always try a seperate amendment later.
Aggie

[Captain]

list

Ninot, here's a list of people willing to be judges. it's a bit old, buired on page 3, but still fairly up to date I think.

list of judges who indicated interest in the positions

[Sheik]

It is great to see this amendment finally coming up for vote. This is a well written amendment and it took a lot of work to create. I urge all citizens to vote YES. This was a heavily debated issue and we now have an amendment that will benefit all citizens of Apolyton.

[kring]

2 c is in direct violation of the Constitution, both on term limits and the length of office.

We would need to modify that amendment to change the term limit and length since it doesn't specify any exclusions to the word office:

Length of Office Terms:
All office terms shall last one month. A member can run for a different office at the end of his term, but he cannot change offices during it. If a member is elected three times into the same office, that member must run for a different office in his fourth term, or not run at all.

We would have to exclude justices in the language. Or, we could limit justices as we limit other officials.

[Decimus]

Yes this court could only help to solve our future disputes.

[Kramerman]

2 c is in direct violation of the Constitution, both on term limits and the length of office.

That is ok, because this is an ammendment that will ammend the constitution. So when you vote for this ammendment, andit is past, whats in the constitution will apply to all jobs but the justices, whos terms will be controled by this ammendment .

No problem
Kman

[Kramerman]

If this succer passes unaimously *bitting my tongue*, anybody and everybody who worked on its developement should give themselves a gold star.

Kman

[Moral Hazard]

So who voted against it?

[MrWhereItsAt]

YES, YES, BY THE GREAT BANANA YES!!!

This system is mostly perfect, and we need SOMEthing going now. We can always tinker with it later, at the moment starting it up is paramount. Thankyouthankyouthankyou Ninot for polling this!!!

WHEN this passes, all of us Apolytonians owe everyone who contributed to the debate and its final form a great debt of gratitude for bludgeoning the issue into the great shape it is now in.

[GoodFella]

Looks pretty good to me, I'm just wondering why the Minister of Economy and Minster of Imperial Expansion choose the one month judges. I'm sure they'd make ood decisions, but I'm just wondering how you came up with those ministries.

[civman2000]

! Pretty much everything i didnt like was removed or weakened.

[GodKing]

If you are one of the two people who voted against, and if you are comfortable posting, could you please explain your reservations. Mostly I am just curious, but a lot of us worked hard on comming up with this. If there are any flaws, please speak up. Thanks.

Capt'n, I think you could of left the word impeachment in the top, as all it was doing was stating that the courts need/should be involved, not how it was to work. IMO. No big thing either way.

[mtgillespie]

f. Reappointment:
At the end of that term a Justice may be reappointed by the President. In cases where a Justice is not being re-appointed by the decision of the President, the President may be bypassed in this process if 75% of the populace re-approve the Justice in a vote. Any citizen may create such a poll. Such a poll would have to conclude before the term is completed.

I voted yes, but there is one small thing that needs adding at some point (sorry ).

We need to specify how long before the end of a term the pres has to post the nominations, say a week. If he is not re-appointing, there needs to be time for the citizens poll to be over before the term ends. It's not a loophole i think anyone would exploit, and is easily fixed at a later date, if that's deemed necessary.

Otherwise

like MWIA said, vote yes to this, and then we can iron out any minor quibbles

[Ninot]

We would decide a specific day of the month for reapointment as soon as we appoint the first court. So if we pickem a week from now, then the 25th of every 3rd month (for each justice, cept for the first court) would be the date.

[Captain]

Originally posted by GoodFella
Looks pretty good to me, I'm just wondering why the Minister of Economy and Minster of Imperial Expansion choose the one month judges. I'm sure they'd make ood decisions, but I'm just wondering how you came up with those ministries.

damn... I knew I missed something...

I suppose that was in there to prevent the President from being the only one able to appoint. some people thought that was too much power to one person. So we changed it, but why Minister of Economy and Imp Exp? I don't know. Seems rather arbitrary, why not a different minister? but perhaps we should have written

These first Justices of the Court will be appointed in the following manner: The President forms a committee with all other willing official ministers including VP. The committee nominates candidates and the Presidents appoints from that list. All appointments must then be approved by a majority vote of the public

but it doesn't matter that much, this was only for the set up of the FIRST court. after that, it's up to the President's discretion and re-approval.

also, out of curiosity, those who voted no, what is it about the document you object to?