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  • OFFICIAL ammendment poll: Ratification of the Apolytonian Court

    Here is the ammendment proposed
    This amendment hereby creates an official Apolytonian Court (hereafter refered to as "The Court")

    1. Purpose:

    The Court is constituted to rule upon: contested disputes involving legal interpretation, validity of polls, violations of the Constitution, or any other legal dispute of national importance.

    2. Construct of the Court:

    a. Size of Court:
    The Court is composed of Five Justices. Each Justice is to be appointed by the President, and each must be approved by a simple majority of the populace in an Approval Vote.

    b. Installing the First Court:
    The First Court appointed, upon ratification of this amendment, are to be chosen to staggering terms. One member will serve for one month, two will serve for two months and the remaining two will serve for three months. These first Justices of the Court will be appointed in the following manner: President selects 2 (3 month terms), Vice President selects 1 (two month term), Minister of Imperial Expansion(two month term) selects 1 and Econimics Minister selects 1 (one month term). All appointments must be approved by a majority vote of the public.

    c. Terms in office:
    There is no limit to the number of terms a Justice may serve.
    Each Justice serves a term of three months in length, except as indicated above in 2b. All appointments and re-appointments must be approved by a majority vote of the public.

    d. Senior Justice:
    The Court is to select a 'Senior Justice', who will be responsible for ensuring that a timely report is published for each decision made by the court that communicates the rationale behind the decision; and make sure that the decision is stored and archived. Failure to provide the report is grounds for an appeal. The Senior Justice will also preside over any hearings before The Court.

    e. Other Governmental Posts:
    A Justice may not serve in any other governmental post.

    f. Reappointment:
    At the end of that term a Justice may be reappointed by the President. In cases where a Justice is not being re-appointed by the decision of the President, the President may be bypassed in this process if 75% of the populace re-approve the Justice in a vote. Any citizen may create such a poll. Such a poll would have to conclude before the term is completed.

    3. Case Structure:

    a. Quorum:
    A quorum of at least 3 Justices must be involved in any ruling that is made. Should The Court be tied about how to rule on an issue, any non-voting justice is to then review the case and vote.

    b. Rulings:
    All rulings are immediately official and final except where appeals are granted.

    c. Appeals:
    Appeals will be granted if there are grounds to believe that an error in the application of the law has been made. Any citizen directly involved in the case may make an application for an appeal. If 3 or more of the 5 judges decide to grant the appeal, a new trial will be created to examine the case. In that case, the current verdict is placed on hold until after the appeal process.

    d. Injunctions:
    The Court cannot halt the game to make a decision without a 2/3 vote amongst the people. In case of an emergency due to timing of a turnchat and poll of the populace, the Court may halt the game for 72 hours, but only by unanimous vote of the Court and only if a specific case has been presented to them that must be decided prior to the turnchat. In the emergency case, the Court would immediately have to present a 72 hour poll to the people for their approval of the Injunction. If not approved by the time of the poll's closure, the game immediately resumes where it was before.

    e. Case Presentation:
    The Court cannot act on any issue until a non-judicial citizen of the nation brings forth an Issue to The Court. Issues to The Court should be posted publicly and must involve a dispute that The Court is empowered to rule upon.
    Simple vote: Shall this Ammendment be ratified?
    1: Yes
    2: No

    5 day voting period

    Should end 23/7/2002 at 03:48 GMT time
    56
    Yes
    91.07%
    51
    No
    8.93%
    5

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Ninot; July 17, 2002, 23:01.
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  • #2
    Im obviously denying you the option of a no vote
    i already PM'ed Ming on it.
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    • #3
      I vote yea. This may not suit everybody perfectly, but it's high time to get something along these lines up and running.
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      • #4
        The project has matured enough to be good. While I'm still uncomfortable with the impeachment thing, I think the project is good overall.
        I'd like to thank everybody who worked on this, esp. Trip, Captain and Aggie who seemed to be the most involved in the debate
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        • #5
          We're getting more organized every day. This is one step in the right direction.

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          • #6
            Yes. We need a court now.
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            • #7
              Sure, why not. And it opens up positions for 5 more people.

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              • #8
                Damn it! I'm gone 5 seconds to get some Hagendaise (the ice cream... I dont know how to friggin spell it...), all hopefull that Im gonna be the first one to post on this poll, next thing I know its like yesterday's news. Son of a *****.... I guess I didn't reall yhave anything important to post anyway, just that everybody worked hard and compromised graciously to bring one hell of a bill, if i may say so myself.

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                • #9
                  While I'm still uncomfortable with the impeachment thing
                  I thought we took out the entire impeachment process, and said we would make it into its own ammendment.... Yeah, I don't see anything about impeachment in this bill. You probably weren't there when we made this change...

                  Kman
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Spiffor
                    The project has matured enough to be good. While I'm still uncomfortable with the impeachment thing, I think the project is good overall.
                    I'd like to thank everybody who worked on this, esp. Trip, Captain and Aggie who seemed to be the most involved in the debate
                    and many others too! including but not limited to: jdjdjd, GodKing, Togas, wervdon, Kramerman, sheik, Plaguerat, ...

                    I'm also uncomfortable with the power to stop the game by injunction, but overall, I think this is a good start. We can refine some more later but we should get this going.

                    Assuming this passes, Ninot, get ready to assemble your selection committee.
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                    • #11
                      Obviously, there is need for a court. I'm glad we've finally gotten to it. Furthermore, there is nothing strikingly wrong with this amendment, and i'm not one of the picky ones anyway.

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                      • #12
                        Assuming this passes, Ninot, get ready to assemble your selection committee.


                        I think thats a safe assumption. So far the vote is 10, zip, unanimously in favor of the bill. I think the Presidential election lit a fire under the citizenrys' ass as far as making the realize the necessity of a court system for legal matters.
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                        • #13
                          We need a court. And this is definatley the best of the proposals. Some people might not like all the compromises, but I can say I actually do

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                          • #14
                            I think that all of us who worked on the amendment proposal feel very pleased with the end result. There was a lot of debate and a lot of compromise but in the end, a positive consensus.

                            I feel that adding this to our Constitution will be a step in the right direction for our Democracy.

                            --Togas
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Captain


                              and many others too! including but not limited to: jdjdjd, GodKing, Togas, wervdon, Kramerman, sheik, Plaguerat, ...

                              I'm also uncomfortable with the power to stop the game by injunction, but overall, I think this is a good start. We can refine some more later but we should get this going.

                              Assuming this passes, Ninot, get ready to assemble your selection committee.
                              An easy task, but also not an easy task

                              I would love to pick many of you for the comitee.. but I want many of you to be judges too, if youd accept.
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