Foriegn Minister Report - 1450BC

[Aggie]

I am glad to see our bargaining team at work. Just let me reitterate my opposition to giving out our world map. Any deals without it are acceptable to me, but ones with it are discouraged. I really don't want to see persian and french and maybe iriqouis ships moving to Uberland. However lets take this a step at a time, since all of ya'll(and the whole nation mostly) agree with getting mapmaking for 195 from french lets start with that. Then lest all discuss the next step.
Respectfully and hopefully
Aggie

[FrostyBoy]

But I have 1450 too and I got it from that turnthread forum.

Btw Spiffor, at the MOMENT our maps will not sell well, but after we have bought everyone elses maps, our maps will sell a lot higher, trust me.

How much will Mapmaking cost if we give the french 150 and world map?

[FrostyBoy]

ok my fault, you can get mapmaking for 150 gold and world map.

I'll edit the plan above.

[Captain]

how much of a threat is it to us if we sell our world map considering most of our unoccupied space is JUNGLE?

I bet it'll be more useful to us to find out what other good lands exists out there. But if we should get a map that shows us a great spot for expansion (or a super patch of resources) that the nation we got it from isn't going to be able to exploit soon, and if we don't want someone else (say, a powerful but exploration-lazy neighbour) to know about that either, then we'd best rethink. So I say, why don't we take it one step at a time?

We don't need to do an entire map-whoring project at once. And since it need not take place in a turnchat, we can take our time with it, debating each step without missing a turn, right?

[Kuciwalker]

The problem is that we want Uber Isle for ourselves

[Captain]

as nye asked, would AI's know about uberland? they can't actually see a land tile... (neither can we but we're humans, we can make such inferences)

I don't think we need to worry about uberisle. I say we carve out enough territory on our OWN continent and defend it well enough to provide us with security and prosperity. Crossing water is just a lot of hassle and plenty of corruption, too much trouble at this stage of our nation's development.

[Robber Baron]

Don't want to threadjack here, but I can't resist injecting the observation that it's great seeing the seals in the avatars. Very sharp, SnOOp.

On the main subject at hand, I too was initially wary about exposing the land across the channel to other civs. But Captain has a great point: we have a major project ahead of us. War on our own continent is a huge risk, without victory our situation will probably be unrecoverable, and we must be ready to throw everything into it. If the map project improves the likelihood of success (for instance, by opening geographic access to France, Greece, etc), maybe we have no choice.

[Kloreep]

If I understand the current war plan right, we capture all but one of the American cities, which means we'll likely destroy most of their units, too. In short, America will likely give us anything for peace.

So, why not just wait and get mapmaking from them later? If the AI mapwhores quickly as some people say, we'll likely get a fairly complete map as well.

Or is the AI unwilling to give up very valuable things like large maps even when confronted with destruction?

[Switch]

I think I agree with Snoopy's plan, unless a better one comes along.
But then again who am I to advise, being a scientist in the Thinker's Guild and all?

[FrostyBoy]

I have given you a decisive option, there are faults with it, like people knowing all the maps, etc.

But here is one more factor to remember, by the end of all the trading, only one civ will have a bit of money and that's the Romans.

And remember, if we don't do this soon, we'll miss the chance later because most of the civs would have already traded their world maps with each other and wouldn't give a rats arse about ours. Our knowledge of the world would be worth very little.

We do this in the next few turns, or we risk not being able to do it later (and I don't think it will be that far before they start trading).


About Uberland, I'm not sure if civs actually sail across the ocean for more land when there is still tonnes of land left to take on their current land. But it seems the only civ next to water that would bother to go there are the French? And the Persians. And what chance do they have compared to how close we are to it?

We buy mapmaking for 195, we lose all that money and only get mapmaking. We do it the way I have planned it, we gain more money, we get everyones world map and mapmaking.

Unless anyone can come up with anything else?

[Torkkeli]

No. Dont ever sell the map.

As this gives a little too much information of us to the rivals I think it's best not to sell our map and just buy the maps from other ppl.

And as the AI already knows the entire map why give them the reason to use the information of our terretories. This IMHO leads only to the point where we are surrounded by enemy cities in the Notylopa junge.

And I think we could use the money on establishing embassies (with the most powerful civies), if we dont have them already.

[Decimus]

Good thinking snoopy. I think you ideas is the best chance we have so far.

[mtgillespie]

If I understand the current war plan right, we capture all but one of the American cities, which means we'll likely destroy most of their units, too. In short, America will likely give us anything for peace.

So, why not just wait and get mapmaking from them later? If the AI mapwhores quickly as some people say, we'll likely get a fairly complete map as well.

This was my thinking as well. Can anyone comment why this is not a good idea, please.

[OPD]

I say do it.
Information is the key to success.
There is a limit to what we can sue for peace from the americans.
From what I gather the cheating AI knows the map anyway and I'm willing to bet has already explored the island/new land.

I would welcome a French galley moving to the isle as they would be readily prepared to give it up when we start beating them down.

[civman2000]

Q: Whether or not we sell our map, should we sell mapmaking to the other civs that don't have it?