Do You Approve of the "Two President" Decision?

[Ninot]

Originally posted by Timeline

It shows we need reform, yes. But it does not negate the poll. The poll must be honored no matter what the outcome. If we do not honor the poll, we are ignoring the people's will.

Just because 50% voted for Ninot and 50% for Trip, does not mean they wanted TWO Presidents, that is absurd.

Think about it before you vote, do you really want TWO Presidents? Do you realize the potential chaos that could serve.

I agreed to Trips plan, and I still do.

Currently, the peoples will is being decided by one person, who may or may not ever visit this forum again. That is a dictatorship in itself.

Half of the voters voted one way, half voted the other way, and 1 voter makes the decision? I think thats the worst way to decide on a president, and this way seems to be much better.

There is no REAL democractic decision when one vote makes the difference.. that is just dumb luck for one of the candidates.

And, if you ask me, the "caos" of two presidents would be much less severe (if at all present) in comparisson to a president who will probably have less than 50% support at the end of their term.

And what if it ties before the election is "officialy" over? Do you think there is a great way out of it then, other than what is proposed?

[Moral Hazard]

NYE:
Your not making any sense. If this poll proves that the peoples will is against copresidency. And Trip does step down, the Ninot will be president. It remains a peaceful solution. The only way there will be chaos is the candidates don't honor this poll. That's their decision.

CYall Tommorow

[notyoueither]

or... the mischief makers return to taint this poll too.

[Moral Hazard]

Polling is the only way we have of determining the people's will, until we can come up with a better solution. We must honor it.

[Nubclear]

In my humble opinion, we should follow the results of the election and have one president, one commander in chief in charge of Apolyton.

Two presidents can conflict with each other, trying to tell each other what to do and claiming higher authority. This will slow down the process of the game, and can even bring it to a standstill.

And even if it does not, if we completly ignore the results of the Presidential election, can we truely call ourselves a "Democracy"? A democracy does not ignore it's people, it embraces them and honors their decisions, not dismisses them because an election is close or because there is a possibility of fraud.

We cannot let the democratic process be destroyed by this alleged "tampering" of our elections. We must let the democratic process run its course, as any less than that would be despotic.

Tassadar

[notyoueither]

btw. How valid is a poll where the last 5 pages (half as of now) are splattered with "This Poll is Invalid"

I notice not many people have voted since that started.

How valid is that poll?

[notyoueither]

more btw. Not to mention the people spouting off (and voting) who are not on the list of citizens.

Stranger still... Valid?

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
In my humble opinion, we should follow the results of the election and have one president, one commander in chief in charge of Apolyton.

Two presidents can conflict with each other, trying to tell each other what to do and claiming higher authority. This will slow down the process of the game, and can even bring it to a standstill.

And even if it does not, if we completly ignore the results of the Presidential election, can we truely call ourselves a "Democracy"? A democracy does not ignore it's people, it embraces them and honors their decisions, not dismisses them because an election is close or because there is a possibility of fraud.

We cannot let the democratic process be destroyed by this alleged "tampering" of our elections. We must let the democratic process run its course, as any less than that would be despotic.

Tassadar

Bravo!

And coming from a Russian too...

[Inverse Icarus]

just tell me which person i have to deal with during turnchats.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by UberKruX
just tell me which person i have to deal with during turnchats.

You can be sure that if it only end up being one of us, he'll be twice as bad as two of us would be.

[GoodFella]

NOt an easy decision, technically it isn't unconstitutional as far as I can see. Both are qualified, and it could work with both I think...I don't know, need to think it over.

And why can't I get into Live Chat!!!!!

[GoodFella]

Let's just hope there isn't another tie!

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by notyoueither
btw. How valid is a poll where the last 5 pages (half as of now) are splattered with "This Poll is Invalid"

I notice not many people have voted since that started.

How valid is that poll?

So... you're saying that if several people regularly post in a poll thread that the poll is not valid, it isn't?

A poll should be judged by its validity in accordance with the constitution, not by a handful of posters.

more btw. Not to mention the people spouting off (and voting) who are not on the list of citizens.

Stranger still... Valid?

A good point... but how should we decide this election, then? We'll have to deal with the issue of suspected vote fraud or set it poison the game - unless we stop official polls altogether, which would mean dictatorship. (Though an admittedly large one if anyone who wanted to be a "candidate" could be part of a ministry/office. )

Edit: didn't complete my first sentence. Whoops.

[Timeline]

Well, at least we are doing this democratically now, rather than just having 2 people coming up and announcing "we will both be President".

It is really the people's right to decide, not theirs.

So debate on my friends! And may the beaming light of Democracy rippen our glorious Bananas!

[Malthis]

The Apolytonians are Revolting
Your Civilization is falling into Anarchy.



But seriously, this poll is a good idea, but is bound to be tampered with as well. Not that our two great presidents care what the results are...I think they're both part of the new world order...
I still think the "tie" should be broken by the Ministers vote. Anyone feel that way too?