Election: Minister of Public Works

[GoodFella]

Although the idea of a pre-war road to America is a good one, sadly, we don't have the resources to fulfil it prior to the invasion. It is more important now for the terrain around the cities to be improved. It is not worth the trouble of delaying Plan Eagle to build a road that, although beneficial, is not crucial to the plan.

During the war though, I hope that many American workers will be captured which may be used to help link our new territories with our homeland.

I also support building roads to as many neighbors as possible once the pressures of the first war are over and we have more workers (hopefully many from America). This will allow faster movement for our troops in the event of a war and will open up trade options for our Empire.

[notyoueither]

How much more do our workers have to do before they could construct a road to Blue City then on to BananaHQ and ever on to New York?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by GoodFella
I also support building roads to as many neighbors as possible once the pressures of the first war are over and we have more workers (hopefully many from America). This will allow faster movement for our troops in the event of a war and will open up trade options for our Empire.

Alright....What if right after we crush America, the people of Apolyton demand a war with France. Then France is crushed. The next nearest city is quite far away....Would you still support building a road to it then?

[Kuciwalker]

What he supports isn't really important. What's important is what MOST PEOPLE support.

[Ninot]

Originally posted by skywalker
What he supports isn't really important. What's important is what MOST PEOPLE support.

What he supports is the most important thing about the election process..

what you have proven to fail to realise is that ministers are elected for their ideals and beliefs so that they may make their own decisions once elected... not to poll "MOST PEOPLE" ever turn.

[Kuciwalker]

Little decisions, such as individual workers or archers or etc. can be decided by the minister. However, the overall plan is decided by the people, and so he makes those decisions to be consistant with the plan.

[Ninot]

so your gonna vote in a guy who, perhaps, has a big plan which differs from YOUR idea of it, and then complain and force him to change his mind once hes in office? no

you cant expect a minister to poll at all, never mind about plans and such.

Take for example my work as the Foreign Minister. I never once polled about how I should make my deals (and i made about a dozen I believe). I only made general polls on what nation we were going to war with, and that was only so i could avoid making deals with that nation (i havent made a deal with Amercia in a while...)

elections arent to post petty secretaries to move around pieces and toy with sliders.. elections are to give people the power to move a nation.

[Inverse Icarus]

Even though you call this a democracy game, it's really a Republic. You elect people to act for you, and you vote for them because their platform matches yours (or close to it).

theoretically, a minister doesnt have to ask anyone's opinio on any issue, but they wouldn't get re-elected if it was against public will now would they

example: last turnchat niniot did the trades, without doing a "quickpoll" in the chatroom. that is his right, and i'm fairly sure not too many people opposesd it.

if they didnt like it they could ont vote him in. it's how the system works.

another example would be my insurrection into persian territory.

if you dont like it dont vote for me.

[ThePlagueRat]

Originally posted by UberKruX
Even though you call this a democracy game, it's really a Republic. You elect people to act for you, and you vote for them because their platform matches yours (or close to it).

theoretically, a minister doesnt have to ask anyone's opinio on any issue, but they wouldn't get re-elected if it was against public will now would they

Yep, and there are 2 roads to choose between...
Which is the most democratic?

1. It's something we call a representative democracy.
Like we have here with parties and all. We know this pretty well from many modern republics. There should also be a second political instance, capable of throwing demagogues and powerabusers out of office, in such a system.
We have only the impeachment option?
This is getting very US-like...

2. Another democratic solution is what we call a direct democracy (Like in Switzerland or Ancient Greek citystates.) A system where the people is responsible for voting on all major issues. And the executive govt. sorting out minor issues by them selves. Then the people itself is responsible for any bad judgement!


The problem in both solutions is when either the elected representatives, or the polling masses, are NOT acting responsible...

[GoodFella]

NYE, sorry its taken me so long to answer but I"ll do that now. I believe the invasion is 20 plans away from being carried out. I did some calculations that I'll post here tommarow if wanted (it is very late here) but basically our two workers would be pressed to get the road finished in time and would probably have to drop what they are doing now to do it. They can best serve our empire now by improving trrain around our cities. Thuis includes building more internal roads and other terrain improvements for when the cities grow which will be fairly soon (5 turns for Termina) unless a settler or another worker is built. I feel more productive cities would be more beneficial than a road to America.

As for building a road to other civs after war with America and after a possible war with France Tassadar, by then I am guessing we'll have built cities closer to our neighbors and they'll build cities closer to us. A city built for iron towards Persia is already being proposed which will bring us signifigantly closer to their border.

I hope that answers your questions .

[Guardian]

Well, it looks like GePap is getting whipped...

It voted for him, but I suppose I can live with GoodFella too if I must.

[Timeline]

It may be too late, but for the next 6 voters I would like to point out that if you vote for Goodfella, you are putting a great deal of power of our nation in the hand of the UFC.

Remember Ubers plans for building roads to other nations, just for our military to use? Who says another such plan may not come up. Instead of making roads for our cities and clearing jungle, we could end up with GoodFella being led along by uber to make vaste highways of destruction.

By voting GePap you are ensuring we will have in office someone who will always poll the people first, and not blindly follow the reckless paths of warmongers.

[Spiffor]

Actually, building roads of destruction would be pretty useless :
Roads are needed for our war chariots to move
We don't want a golden age now (huge majority for medieval era)
We won't attack with war chariots.

Don't fool yourself voting for a warmonger PW minitser, vote for a builder, the only one able to crate a good infrastructure to churn out units. Vote GePap !

[Kuciwalker]

I doubt that anyone would support the war roads anymore. This is just mudslinging, nothing else.

[ThePlagueRat]

I see that Goodfella wanna close into other borders with our future settlements. Good! Well, I became a DIA member once, but that's got nothing to do with this kind of a direct democracy. So why bother with parties?

What I cannot see is GePaps opinions here.
Ok, I found a link to a campaign thread. But it's too late.

So who do I vote for? Easy...