This thread may be very ahead of its time, but I want to ask the question anyway. I was not a member of apolyton while the civ2 dem games were being played, so I have no idea how the late game desicions were made, but from playing both games, the late game of civ3 usually involves dealing with far more complex issues than the late game of Civ2 and thus a new system might be needed.
We chose to play with 16 civs, and while many may die before long, we may still face 9-10 othe civs in the late game, all with their own diplomatic issues.
Today we have 4 warriors (or is it five?) In the future we may have mass armies of 300-400. Today it takes us 3-4 turns to make one units, in the future, we could spew a unit a turn (or more under communism).
We have 3 workers, in the future we may have dozens.
We have two cities, who knows in the future.
We have no resources, and no trade routes. this will change...
So forth and so on. What becomes clear is if a democracy is to flourish, with the citizens having an important say, we may have too, as all governments through history, create a significant bureaocracy to make the decisions that will be made. The rule of a few men is fine today (as it was in the real 2000bc), but come even 1700ad [hoping we get there] and this will no longer be true. Since constructing any sort of bureaocracy will require some amount of constitutional change, I think we need to starrt thinkin about this now. It has begun with the issue of ambassadors, or first non-governmental bureocrats.
My most basic suggestion is to create departments, of which the ministers would be the heads. The ministers would appoint the members of these departments, and give them jobs according to the needs of the ministers. Each ministry would have to put out a report on its status, and recommendations, the day before a scheduled turnchat. The common citizen will get to go over these reports and make suggestions and or comments that the ministers could then take with them into the turnchat. The reports can vary in detail, but need to be informative. Perhaps the now somewhat lowly senate could gain greater powers (and perhaps senate elections could become something of importance) by gaining an amount of oversight over the departments, to insure adequate info is provided. In fact, the ministerial reports could be addressed to the senate itself.
These are just suggestion on the future, but I do think we need to get moving. Even if this current polity of ours dies a horrible death(hope not), swallowed by the endless darkness of the jungles, I don't think this should be our only civ3dem game, and maybe in the next one, we will get a kick ass beinning situation.
We chose to play with 16 civs, and while many may die before long, we may still face 9-10 othe civs in the late game, all with their own diplomatic issues.
Today we have 4 warriors (or is it five?) In the future we may have mass armies of 300-400. Today it takes us 3-4 turns to make one units, in the future, we could spew a unit a turn (or more under communism).
We have 3 workers, in the future we may have dozens.
We have two cities, who knows in the future.
We have no resources, and no trade routes. this will change...
So forth and so on. What becomes clear is if a democracy is to flourish, with the citizens having an important say, we may have too, as all governments through history, create a significant bureaocracy to make the decisions that will be made. The rule of a few men is fine today (as it was in the real 2000bc), but come even 1700ad [hoping we get there] and this will no longer be true. Since constructing any sort of bureaocracy will require some amount of constitutional change, I think we need to starrt thinkin about this now. It has begun with the issue of ambassadors, or first non-governmental bureocrats.
My most basic suggestion is to create departments, of which the ministers would be the heads. The ministers would appoint the members of these departments, and give them jobs according to the needs of the ministers. Each ministry would have to put out a report on its status, and recommendations, the day before a scheduled turnchat. The common citizen will get to go over these reports and make suggestions and or comments that the ministers could then take with them into the turnchat. The reports can vary in detail, but need to be informative. Perhaps the now somewhat lowly senate could gain greater powers (and perhaps senate elections could become something of importance) by gaining an amount of oversight over the departments, to insure adequate info is provided. In fact, the ministerial reports could be addressed to the senate itself.
These are just suggestion on the future, but I do think we need to get moving. Even if this current polity of ours dies a horrible death(hope not), swallowed by the endless darkness of the jungles, I don't think this should be our only civ3dem game, and maybe in the next one, we will get a kick ass beinning situation.
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